9 comments

  • shiroiushi 2 hours ago
    It's simple: no one. Americans can enjoy 4 (or more) years of nasty, unusable toilets, and will probably just take a dump behind a tree if they're in a national park, so popular parks will be full of human waste lying around. Maybe they can just close the parks altogether.
    • warkdarrior 2 hours ago
      No, don't close the park. Just open them for business. You want a clean, well-light, comfortable toilet in a national park? NP Toilet Inc will provide one for a small fee.
      • shiroiushi 2 hours ago
        People will get mad about having to pay a "small" fee to use a toilet at a national park, so some will take a crap behind a tree.

        So the USFS and NPS could then hire private security companies to patrol the parks looking for people peeing and pooping behind trees, and arrest them, forcing them to pay huge fees to be released.

        Maybe this could be a model for law enforcement all over America, actually: privatize all the police. People could just pay fines for whatever crime they've committed: $1000 for insulting the president, $10,000 for shoplifting, $10M for murder, etc.

      • clipsy 1 hour ago
        Why stop there? Just be honest and admit the end goal is selling the national parks to real estate developers at best and strip miners at worst.
      • renewiltord 36 minutes ago
        Pay toilets are defacto banned.
  • lucidguppy 2 hours ago
    Duh - sell the parks to a golf resort developer!
  • 486sx33 1 hour ago
    Entry / user fees?
  • ars 2 hours ago
    There's something seriously wrong with government when this sentence is true:

    "The BTNF essentially hired Kosiba’s group, which could then contract out with other private companies. They agreed to do the job at about a third of that $120,000."

    That's really not normal. What's going on in government spending?

    • brg 1 hour ago
      Corruption. It’s interesting how it happens across all human activity. There are mechanisms to reduce it, such as strict penalties (Singapore) or moving to a competitive for-profit model (USFS does rent out many park areas).
  • renewiltord 2 hours ago
    Ah it’s the classic rule. If you’re the government you have to hire a guy who has A, B, and C but if you hire a non-profit that non-profit can hire a guy who has none of that and so can do it cheaper. Cool!
  • m3kw9 2 hours ago
    Start digging your own holes and kindly fill it back before you leave
    • lukan 2 hours ago
      If this simple procedure would be taught in schools, most trees around parking in forest areas wouldn't look like shit.
      • h0l0cube 53 minutes ago
        They still would because the holes typically are very shallow, and half filled with toilet paper. The next significant rainfall that comes around, there's soiled paper all strewn about the mud.
        • lukan 51 minutes ago
          Done the right way, they are deep enough. A stick or stone lying around is usually enough to do that much digging.
    • theossuary 46 minutes ago
      In the high use areas camp toilets are found, this won't work. Rain will expose poop and TP, animals will be attracted and dig it up, and soon you'll try to dig in a "secluded" spot and stick your shovel into someone else's cat hole.

      If camp toilets aren't an option the only real alternative in those areas will be to bring a wag bag or poop tube and pack it out.

  • dghlsakjg 2 hours ago
    Start charging commercial USDA users market fees set by auction instead of below market fees. A lot of surplus is going straight to commercial users of American land.

    The current fee for grazing, for example, is $1.35 monthly per head, up from $1.23... in 1966. Time for these rural users to start paying their fair share!

    /s

    I'm mostly kidding, but articles like this pretending that the major costs of running the USFS and other public lands are on rec. users instead of commercial drive me nuts. These public lands are used for commercial extractive purposes at a loss all. the. time. Why is federal spending on public lands so far down, while more americans than ever (proportional and absolute) are using these resources for recreation?

    • bediger4000 2 hours ago
      I don't agree with your "/s". You make a lot valid points. Why soften it by saying it's sarcasm?
  • s5300 2 hours ago
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  • bastloing 2 hours ago
    Who comes up with this shit?