5 comments

  • ekjhgkejhgk 2 hours ago
    Poorer countries like Romania and Poland benefited more than richer countries like Austria and Luxemburg (exception were intermediate countries like Greece and Italy that piled on too much debt).

    This was planned (called EU convergence), and is a victory of bureaucratic planning. Whatever you think of the goals or methods, I think it's awe inspiring that an organization can plan and follow through with a plan on multi-decade time horizon.

  • graemep 1 hour ago
    That is pretty disastrous. 22% over 20 years is 1% per year.

    A few countries have done spectacularly well, but others have done incredibly badly (two have an actual decline over a 20 year period!).

    • Yujf 10 minutes ago
      If I read this correctly it is (total household income) / population.

      This means that if countries get older, they get less working people so this number drops. This makes it difficult to draw conclusions.

    • _s_a_m_ 9 minutes ago
      Yep, and that's in the aggregate. So some sectors got probably worse. Germany also has since forever now a domestic demand crisis. Austerity since the 90s and another boost in 2010 (Agenda 2010). Forced it on entire EU and hardcore on Greece, from which they never recovered.
    • lm28469 13 minutes ago
      That's to be expected for developed countries, the US had about the same increase over the same period: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

      Once you remove cooked numbers and account for inflation the real growth of developed countries is very slow.

    • pjc50 16 minutes ago
      UK seems basically flat: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/times...

      I can't find corresponding US numbers?

      • frikskit 3 minutes ago
        By “flat” you mean “similar” ?Because your link shows approx 25% increase.
        • pjc50 0 minutes ago
          .. since 1955. You need to adjust the date range to match.
    • Swenrekcah 48 minutes ago
      Keep in mind this is adjusted for inflation. However I agree it should have been more during this period.
  • mriet 1 hour ago
    It's kind of weird that Romania has done so well, given that amount of turmoil in Romanian politics and Romania in general in the last 20 years.

    Basically, it went up for Romania because they got access to the EU market (in terms of both exports and remittances) starting in 2007 and that helped, _despite_ everything else that went on. So.. kind of a win for Romania and the EU, I guess.

    • petre 52 minutes ago
      Except Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007, so they have only been for 17 years in the union.
  • adverbly 1 hour ago
    This is measuring household not individual... Needs context then... How did average working hours per household change during that period?
    • grafmax 1 hour ago
      Many things are missing from this picture. It uses mean not median income, which would do a better job of telling how widespread the increase is. It uses a basic inflation adjustment which doesn’t differentiate between luxury goods and services vs basic necessities. In other words it’s hard to tell to what degree this rise has benefited people in general.
    • frikskit 1 hour ago
      Hours worked for full time employees in EU apparently has been falling year over year since at least 2013. Maybe it has increased for part timers though?

      Not sure how to square that with the fact that there’s been low productivity growth since 2008.

      https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser and either search or use data code tps00071

      • Swenrekcah 54 minutes ago
        In the higher income countries the hours worked have fallen, however it may be that in lower income countries they have increased.

        That is to say, due to more work opportunities more people have gotten jobs that count towards measured work hours and GDP. Including households who used to have one person working jobs that count towards metrics now have two.

        I don’t have numbers for this though, just an informed guess.

        • frikskit 6 minutes ago
          Good point. It would be sufficient for there simply to have been an increase in % of households where both parents work. That can lead to fewer hours worked per employee, low productivity growth, and increase in household income.
  • decremental 2 hours ago
    [dead]