Unix v4 (1973) – Live Terminal

(unixv4.dev)

70 points | by pjmlp 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • Deeg9rie9usi 50 minutes ago
    Reading the source unearths interesting things: https://sigma-star.at/blog/2025/12/unix-v4-buffer-overflow/
    • mananaysiempre 23 minutes ago
      I kept expecting an exploit :) Something to poke at on a slow evening, I guess, though with the buffer in static memory it might be difficult.
      • Deeg9rie9usi 21 minutes ago
        Exploiting this is close to trivial because the adjacent buffer contains the pw entry. So, you can control what the input is compared with. That way the password check can be bypassed without injecting code.
  • dim13 12 minutes ago
    Glad to have played with it a bit before it got Slashdotted. ;)
  • publicdebates 1 hour ago

        Session Error
        Rate limit exceeded: 10 per 1 minute
    • hnthrowaway0315 1 hour ago
      I managed to get in after a few tries. But then I got a timeout. I think I'm going to wait until the HN deathhug is over :D
  • ramon156 1 hour ago
    Rate limited! a new record!
  • enricotr 1 hour ago
    Almost slashdotted.
  • TZubiri 30 minutes ago
    Getting a rate limit error, but I haven't used the program.
  • colesantiago 1 hour ago
    Just a heads up:

    > By using this service, you acknowledge that terminal sessions may be logged for educational and debugging purposes. No personal data is collected beyond your IP address.

    Is this all open source and is the code available? So that we know where the data is truly going?

    Hard to trust it if it isn't fully OSS.

    This is a cool demo though.

    • altairprime 1 hour ago
      > Hard to trust it

      Clarification requested: How is ‘trust’ applicable to this site?

    • voidfunc 1 hour ago
      Even if it was open source how do you know its not a fork?
      • lo_zamoyski 1 hour ago
        And even more to the point: this is a website. What is he afraid of this website doing that all the other websites don't already do? Why single this one out?
        • qarl 1 hour ago
          WARNING: YOU ARE ABOUT TO OPEN A WEBPAGE.
    • StableAlkyne 1 hour ago
      > Hard to trust it if it isn't fully OSS

      It's an emulated PDP-11, could you elaborate on the threat model here?

      I get that companies are being gross about logging everything online, but come on. It's okay to have fun.

      Who in their right mind is using this for anything other than curiosity's sake?

      • utopiah 1 hour ago
        Little bit of banking on an emulator on a random website, why not?
        • cocodill 58 minutes ago
          bitcoin will not be mined on its own.
    • znpy 11 minutes ago
      Yeah it’s unlikely that this site will collect any meaningful data and it’s unlikely that you lose any meaningful data by playing with a virtual unix from the 70ies.

      You aren’t getting downvoted enough.

  • charcircuit 1 hour ago
    Did they get a license from Novell for this or is this as illegal as many of the other emulator sites with copyrighted software on them? Considering the page doesn't mention it, I'm leaning towards it being copyright infringement.
    • LukeShu 1 hour ago
      In 2002, Caldera licensed Research Unix <= 7th edition and 32-bit 32V Unix under a BSD-style license.

      Gotta stick the "This product includes software developed or owned by Caldera International, Inc." notice on it though.

      • charcircuit 44 minutes ago
        This copy of Unix v4 came from AT&T and not one of the freely licensed ones Caldera released. Caldera may own the rights now for this unearthed copy, but I am not aware that they have provided licenses for this new release.
        • spijdar 3 minutes ago
          If your argument is that Caldera might not actually have the rights to UNIX in the first place to grant the license, that's fair.

          But the license they provided (http://www.lemis.com/grog/UNIX/ancient-source-all.pdf) explicitly names versions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 of UNIX for the 16-bit PDP-11. Yes, these versions originated at AT&T (Bell Labs) but are distinct legally from SysIII and SysV UNIX, also from AT&T, which are explicitly not covered by the Caldera license.

    • publicdebates 12 minutes ago
      What do you think about GOG?
      • charcircuit 7 minutes ago
        It's good to have competition against Steam.
    • fortyseven 1 hour ago
      Personal financial stake in this, or do you regularly police the use of ancient software?
      • charcircuit 39 minutes ago
        >Personal financial stake in this

        In the sense that the company I work for would be financially harmed if copyright infringement of software was freely allowed. I benefit from the ability of people being able to sell rights to use software.

        It's one thing to digitize and archive ancient software, it's another thing to allow people to freely use it without acquiring the proper license for it.