My friend used to work at Logitech. Everyone in the trenches knows the software they pump out is trash, but the higher ups are somehow convinced that it “sets them apart”. I assume they think it sets them apart in a good way, but it’s quite the opposite.
It's probably the only program I despise, but need. I want to use small button under the wheel as middle click (I have short fingers), and until now, the only way to do it is/was to use logi options+. LO+ updater will get stuck on update every couple of months and while it's updating my button configuration doesn't work. Solution? kill process, uninstall, reinstall and hope it will not get stuck again any time soon.
I have to test Mauser.
While I am here, can anyone recommend good alternative mouse with both smooth/quick and precision scroll like logitech's? Back and forth buttons are also a must for me, horizontal scroll optional. Ideally a mouse would save configuration onto itself, so I don't have rely on garbage software like LO+.
The scroll isn't anything special but you might find something that works for you (there's a large lineup), corsair make an ok mouse that can save multiple hardware profiles, and is programmable with input remapping and macros, etc.
That's pretty cool, I've been wanting something like this so I don't have to reach for the touchpad on my Mac all the time. But I gotta say, I did NOT expect to be scrolling in the Z axis all of a sudden on that site!
I don’t have a mouse on my Mac now (trackpad too good) but Steermouse has been around for about 25 years and I used it for many of those. Way less awful than the Logitech software.
BetterTouchTool has also recently added full Logitech support (keyboard & mouse) and it has been working great for me. (Fully replaces the Logitech Options+ and/or Ghub apps).
Especially the smooth scroll modifier available in BTT (not exclusive to Logitech mice) has helped me a lot, it transforms any mouses scroll events into trackpad like scrolling events that allow for e.g. page swipes, mail archive, scrolling in calendar etc. - things that usually only work with Magic Mouse or Apple Trackpads
In a similar vein, I've been using SteerMouse (https://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/) in the same way for many years, for the same reasons. Logi's hardware is nice, but their software just freaking sucks the electrons out of a battery. It's awful. I refuse to run their driver aka mini-OS just to do the right thing when I click a button with my thumb.
A full FOSS replacement is absolutely necessary now. Options+ gets noticably worse every 6 months. The latest thing now is that every time you open it, a pop-up 'View available offers' Ad shows which (of course) you can't disable. The bloat is ridiculous given they embedded a whole additional GUI framework (Flutter) just for that AI Prompt builder many people don't want.
Thank you. I’m constantly baffled by the terrible quality of Logitech’s software. Such great hardware and such horrible software. Very much needed an oss alternative.
I wish products would just give up on these rubberised materials. They always turn to goop over time. Unless it’s a part designed to be easily user replaced, just stick to hard plastic.
Huh. Haven't experienced that myself, having used a Master MX for several years (now in use by my wife), a VX Revolution for a few years before that (now my son's backpack mouse), and a Master MX Vertical most recently. My son has gone through several other Logi mice as his primary mice, too, but they've died of either worn out switches or feet (he's an avid gamer).
Not trying to invalidate your experience -- I've see with my own eyes a similar thing happen with rubberized coatings on laptops & keyboard wrist rests (other's not my own).
Just putting it out there that it's by no means the universal experience.
They just don't make mice like they used to. I've been playing games with my intellimouse for the better part of 30 years. Baffles me when I hear of people blowing through several mice.
I use the g305, and have to replace it roughly once a year because the scroll button eventually stops working. I've been through 5-6 of them. Regularly on sale for around $25.
Wish I could find a better mouse I like as much as this one that I didn't need to pay a yearly subscription for. It's just the right size, lightweight, wireless, and being able to store the customizations to on board memory is nice.
Out-of-the-box, most Linux distributions automatically report the battery status on my (admittedly ancient) Performance MX and I get a desktop notification when the battery is running low so I can run and swap the rechargeables, but I've found no way to do that on Windows (even with Logitech software).
I find that Logi Options+ mostly just stays hidden and works. It does use more RAM than I'd like (125.8MB right now). When it does break it's disruptive, or they add some feature I don't want.
- AI Prompting (enabled by default)
- Auto update stuck wasting CPU cycles
- The recent certificate issue
I'd like to find a replacement because I am annoyed by it, but I have not found a replacement that matches ALL of the features I use from Options+.
I keep the default settings in Options+ but in my testing I can't match all the same behavior with the 3rd party solutions:
- Pointer acceleration
- Workspace switching speed
- Smooth scrolling speed / acceleration
Scrolling is usually my main problem where scrolling in one direction jumps in the wrong direction first before correcting. This is most noticeable when scrolling line by line.
I've tested all the 3rd party options mentioned here(with the exception of Mouser). Does anyone else have these problems with the 3rd party alternatives?
I’ve been using the offline version of Options+ that somebody recommended me a while back, it removes AI and auto updating and has done the job for me.
It’s kind of hidden on their website but you can grab it here:
Thanks for pointing this out. I had no idea it existed. The other options in the comments just didn't quite work the way I would like.
- The main topic requires me to pull python dependencies, build, run manually on Mac
- All others can't reassign the button below the scroll wheel on the MX Master 3/4
I switched to the offline version right after Logitech forcefully and without my permission downloaded and installed bunch of crap software on my Mac. I was furious that a stupid mouse driver app has the right to install a random crapware. I’m still fuming about it when I remember it.
20 years ago that would be insane (many machines still had only 512MB of RAM total), and "AI Prompting" sounds like satire, and yet this is the reality we're in now --- all that just to configure a mouse.
Personally my mouses don't need anything more than the OS' default settings.
I smell LLM... and 44MB compressed for a mouse control panel applet (at least it's not an Electron app?) is still quite disturbing and a reminder of just how inefficient software has become.
I usually work on several devices simultaneously, and having to lift, turn the mouse and press the button on the bottom to switch between devices has been a huge hurdle for me. Do you think we can achieve this device-switching mechanism, from within those 6 programmable keys instead? Or this is not possible?
An update to the Logitech software last year added a fast way to access some kind of Logitech AI, but made it so the combination of mouse and dongle I was using no longer worked together. It was kind of a parable for the whole industry lately.
This is pretty awesome - I have another Logitech mouse (the smaller, more pragmatic M720) and was looking for a way to ditch Logi Options+, which is insanely bloated for what it does. I suspect adapting this will take an hour or so with an LLM...
Came here looking for this. The Logi+ Options app is, as others have noted, less than stellar. I just want to control the zoom, flip, and coloring on my MX Brio.
Another alternative (apparently the Logi software is so bad that it spawned many of these): BetterMouse. It supports my MX Master 4 https://better-mouse.com/
If you only need to connect a device to the Bolt adapter you can use this web app by Logitech without having to install anything:
https://logiwebconnect.com/
That doesn't sound unusual for something that interacts directly with hardware.
I have to test Mauser.
While I am here, can anyone recommend good alternative mouse with both smooth/quick and precision scroll like logitech's? Back and forth buttons are also a must for me, horizontal scroll optional. Ideally a mouse would save configuration onto itself, so I don't have rely on garbage software like LO+.
https://macmousefix.com/en/
Also available via brew:
And on Github too:https://github.com/noah-nuebling/mac-mouse-fix
https://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/
I don’t have a mouse on my Mac now (trackpad too good) but Steermouse has been around for about 25 years and I used it for many of those. Way less awful than the Logitech software.
[1]: https://github.com/libratbag/piper/
[2]: https://github.com/libratbag/libratbag
Especially the smooth scroll modifier available in BTT (not exclusive to Logitech mice) has helped me a lot, it transforms any mouses scroll events into trackpad like scrolling events that allow for e.g. page swipes, mail archive, scrolling in calendar etc. - things that usually only work with Magic Mouse or Apple Trackpads
In a similar vein, I've been using SteerMouse (https://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/) in the same way for many years, for the same reasons. Logi's hardware is nice, but their software just freaking sucks the electrons out of a battery. It's awful. I refuse to run their driver aka mini-OS just to do the right thing when I click a button with my thumb.
Not trying to invalidate your experience -- I've see with my own eyes a similar thing happen with rubberized coatings on laptops & keyboard wrist rests (other's not my own).
Just putting it out there that it's by no means the universal experience.
Everyone had the horrid goop issue as well, you're not mad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/logitech/comments/1nq2luo/got_the_m...
Wish I could find a better mouse I like as much as this one that I didn't need to pay a yearly subscription for. It's just the right size, lightweight, wireless, and being able to store the customizations to on board memory is nice.
Out-of-the-box, most Linux distributions automatically report the battery status on my (admittedly ancient) Performance MX and I get a desktop notification when the battery is running low so I can run and swap the rechargeables, but I've found no way to do that on Windows (even with Logitech software).
- AI Prompting (enabled by default)
- Auto update stuck wasting CPU cycles
- The recent certificate issue
I'd like to find a replacement because I am annoyed by it, but I have not found a replacement that matches ALL of the features I use from Options+.
I keep the default settings in Options+ but in my testing I can't match all the same behavior with the 3rd party solutions:
- Pointer acceleration
- Workspace switching speed
- Smooth scrolling speed / acceleration
Scrolling is usually my main problem where scrolling in one direction jumps in the wrong direction first before correcting. This is most noticeable when scrolling line by line.
I've tested all the 3rd party options mentioned here(with the exception of Mouser). Does anyone else have these problems with the 3rd party alternatives?
It’s kind of hidden on their website but you can grab it here:
https://hub.sync.logitech.com/options/post/logi-options-offl...
That said I think this will be my last Logitech device. They’re just not very durable products and die too quickly
- The main topic requires me to pull python dependencies, build, run manually on Mac - All others can't reassign the button below the scroll wheel on the MX Master 3/4
20 years ago that would be insane (many machines still had only 512MB of RAM total), and "AI Prompting" sounds like satire, and yet this is the reality we're in now --- all that just to configure a mouse.
Personally my mouses don't need anything more than the OS' default settings.
For me it regularly ballooned to 1+ GB somehow, until I removed it entirely in favor of BetterMouse.
I smell LLM... and 44MB compressed for a mouse control panel applet (at least it's not an Electron app?) is still quite disturbing and a reminder of just how inefficient software has become.
44mb really isn't that offensive for a statically linked app anyhow.
If you have to use Options that's probably the way to go (if none of the third party options work for you).
I’m still pissed beyond words that they used the driver software as an excuse and installed crapware on my Mac when they released the AI version.
This seems like a great idea.
I worry only how long it will be supported? I hope there will be small community maintaining it ;)
Once again nice project and good luck.