Antimatter has been transported for the first time

(nature.com)

138 points | by leephillips 2 hours ago

18 comments

  • csense 46 minutes ago
    From a layman's point of view antimatter seems like an ideal spacecraft fuel. It's as energy dense as E = mc^2 allows, and if you have infrastructure to make it, the only input you need to produce it is electricity.

    Being able to transport it seems like an important piece of that puzzle.

    Production and storage would need to be scaled by many orders of magnitude, but that's merely an engineering problem...right?

    • yibg 21 minutes ago
      Not familiar with the subject so genuine question. HOW would antimatter be used as fuel? There is energy released in matter antimatter annihilation, but where would the force to move a spacecraft come from?
      • jjmarr 10 minutes ago
        > Various antiproton-powered rocket systems have been proposed. All of which rely on the particles released to supply direct thrust or to heat a working fluid by interparticle collisions or by heating a solid core first [14]. There is also the possibility to use the heated working fluid to generate electricity for electric propulsion systems [14].

        > Following Fig. 9, beam core and plasma core configurations can produce direct thrust by directing the charged particles produced into an exhaust beam using a magnetic nozzle. Gas core systems use the energy released from the reaction to heat a gas that is exhausted for thrust. Finally, solid core configuration heats a metal core like Tungsten that acts as a heat exchanger to a propellant that is then exhausted from a regular nozzle.

        Not the same paper, but goes into more detail.

        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266620272...

      • goda90 13 minutes ago
        Use the antimatter as an electricity source to power ion thrusters, maybe?
    • adrianN 25 minutes ago
      Black holes are good star ship engines because they turn everything into Hawking radiation.
      • throwaway894345 10 minutes ago
        Can you elaborate? Why is HR useful for starship engines?
    • d_silin 40 minutes ago
      Very tough engineering problem. Amount transported is 92 atoms. A mole (1 gram) of anti-hydrogen is 6.23x10^23 atoms.
      • wiredfool 32 minutes ago
        When I visited CERN, they mentioned that there were some large number of protons in the ring at a time, and the runs would last a significant amount of wall clock time. (Don’t remember the exact numbers, but I think it was like 10^19 atoms of H, and days of wall clock)

        The upshot was, it was likely that less than a mol of hydrogen had been run through the ring.

        • d_silin 24 minutes ago
          If humanity doesn't perish in the next hundred year and masters interplanetary spaceflight, antimatter drive is the logical next step in propulsion after fusion.

          Interstellar spaceflight will become (barely) feasible once spaceships can reach velocity between 0.02 to 0.1c are possible. Even assuming non-100% conversion efficiency, antimatter has enough energy density to provide this capability.

  • nout 7 minutes ago
    I was once transporting antipasti and no one wrote HN post about it :(
  • voidUpdate 1 hour ago
    If containment was to fail, it the total energy released would have been approximately 2.766 * 10 ^ -8 J, so it wasn't particularly dangerous
    • comrade1234 1 hour ago
      What is that in firecrackers?

      Gemini says a firecracker releases 150 J, so yeah not a lot.

      • Anonbrit 1 hour ago
        It's a fraction of the energy released when an unlit fire cracker is dropped an inch. Basically unmeasurable
      • voidUpdate 1 hour ago
        Wolfram Alpha says its approximately the kinetic energy of a mosquito in flight
        • schindlabua 1 hour ago
          Which seems suprisingly high given that it's 92 protons worth of antimatter!
          • dandellion 50 minutes ago
            Definitely, I've had a mosquito hit me while flying and you can actually feel it hit your skin.
          • api 32 minutes ago
            E=mc^2 and c^2 is a big number.
        • nikhilisvalid 26 minutes ago
          Wolfram Alpha says it's approximately _one-sixth_ the kinetic energy of a mosquito in flight
          • tczMUFlmoNk 18 minutes ago
            When we're talking scales like 10^-23, "one" and "one sixth" are comparable enough to warrant an "approximately".
    • vivid242 1 hour ago
      It was on the radio here (I live on its route)- the ‚receiving’ physicist said it would be way less than what we catch anyway from daily cosmic radiation.
    • dylan604 1 hour ago
      Baby steps on our way to a Dan Brown scene lighting up the night sky
    • AnimalMuppet 1 hour ago
      For 92 protons? So 3*10^-10 J per proton?

      For a tiny number, that is still insanely high...

  • swiftcoder 1 hour ago
    I definitely was expecting "transported" to be some kind of teleportation when I clicked this link. Too much sci-fi!
    • rbanffy 52 minutes ago
      Much safer than Starfleet fuel tanks.
    • drob518 52 minutes ago
      Totally sounded like Star Trek. LOL. I imagined Mr. Scott yelling something about the transporters not being able to lock onto the antimatter.
  • luc_ 1 hour ago
    Setting the plot for Angels and Demons... :D

    Mirror: https://archive.ph/JkeMp

  • Sardtok 39 minutes ago
    Sounds like the start of research ending in antimatter bombs.
  • brendanfinan 1 hour ago
  • aftbit 49 minutes ago
    How could we make enough antimatter to do something useful? Would we need to go hang out near the sun or deorbit Jupiter's moons with superconducting coils to get enough energy?
  • brumbelow 1 hour ago
    “Antimatter in a truck” is great headline material, but the actual advance is portable precision instrumentation.

    CERN can make/store the antiprotons, but not measure them as cleanly as they want because the facility itself introduces tiny magnetic fluctuations. So this is really a story about moving the sample to a quieter lab, not moving toward sci-fi antimatter batteries... for now

    • GolfPopper 39 minutes ago
      Nonetheless, "moving antimatter by truck" is pretty SF. More grounded than epic space opera, but stillvery cool.
    • sincerely 18 minutes ago
      AI slop account
    • imhoguy 1 hour ago
      Next milestone: put it in Warptruck™ as fuel
  • eternauta3k 58 minutes ago
    What would a universe with equal amounts of matter and antimatter look like?
    • PowerElectronix 48 minutes ago
      It would depend on how it's distributed. If it's very homogeneous, totally anihilated. If there are galaxies of matter and galaxies of antimatter, more or less like us with a bit more background radiation.
      • isolli 27 minutes ago
        How do we know there are no antimatter galaxies far away from us?
        • dodobirdlord 12 minutes ago
          Mass in the universe appears to be (very) roughly uniformly distributed, so even if there are large bodies of antimatter far away in the universe there would have to be a transition boundary somewhere between here and there where the universe goes from being mostly matter to being mostly antimatter. The universe is big and stuff would sometimes cross this boundary and get annihilated, and if this happened it would be the brightest thing in the sky, briefly outshining entire galaxies. We’ve been watching the sky for a while now and have never observed a bright visual event with the spectral signature of a matter/antimatter annihilation, so we assume there is not such a transition boundary, and by extension that the universe is made up of mostly matter out to the edge of the observable universe.
    • a-priori 35 minutes ago
      It would develop into "regions" of space that are entirely matter and others that are entirely antimatter. The boundaries between them would glow as stray particles drift between the regions and is annihilated by contact with the opposing particles.

      The fact that we don't see these glowing boundaries in space is evidence that there are not antimatter regions and that the visible universe is almost entirely composed of matter.

    • rbanffy 52 minutes ago
      Very, very bright.
    • drob518 52 minutes ago
      Annihilated.
  • d--b 17 minutes ago
    Every time I read one of these, I am amazed by how much stuff superconductivity allows, and how limited we are because it needs ultra low temperatures.
  • cozzyd 37 minutes ago
    pssh, antineutrinos are transported all the time!
  • alansaber 1 hour ago
    Only 92 antiprotons but still an exciting feat
    • observationist 1 hour ago
      You (briefly) have an antiproton in your possession around once a day, assuming you get an average amount of sunlight. Some days, you might even have two!
      • cluckindan 1 hour ago
        This just in: seasonal affective disorder confirmed to be caused by antiproton deficiency
  • fatbird 1 hour ago
    Imagine the poor post-doc in the back of the truck, no seatbelt, watching and noting anything going on, while the driver is doing donuts in a parking lot to really stress-test the magnetic containment.
  • chuckadams 1 hour ago
    Tell me this involved dilithium crystals. Please tell me this involved dilithium, I want to live in Gene's future.
    • rbanffy 48 minutes ago
      No. That would have created a warp field around the container.
  • ozim 1 hour ago
    Stop, driver should have license for hauling antimatter and as far as I believe no one is giving those out. That’s major offense in trucking industry.
    • elil17 56 minutes ago
      Yes, only anti-truckers can haul anti-matter since normal CDLs only let you transport ordinary matter. You have to be very careful not to let the anti-trucker go to a ordinary truck stop because things really go down if they run into a ordinary trucker.
      • kakacik 39 minutes ago
        There is some good greta joke hidden there but I had enough dovnvotes for today
    • rbanffy 49 minutes ago
      Actually it should require an anti-license.
    • post-it 1 hour ago
      I'm glad we have an expert on Swiss commercial trucking regulations here.
      • ozim 37 minutes ago
        I only want to charge 1CHF for each charged particle hauled in that transport.
      • jayrot 46 minutes ago
        I know this is all just tongue-in-cheek, but for the record, they only drove it around for 30 min around the lab site, not on the open roads.
  • bitbytebane 1 hour ago
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