GPT-5.5

(openai.com)

645 points | by rd 2 hours ago

82 comments

  • tedsanders 2 hours ago
    Just as a heads up, even though GPT-5.5 is releasing today, the rollout in ChatGPT and Codex will be gradual over many hours so that we can make sure service remains stable for everyone (same as our previous launches). You may not see it right away, and if you don't, try again later in the day. We usually start with Pro/Enterprise accounts and then work our way down to Plus. We know it's slightly annoying to have to wait a random amount of time, but we do it this way to keep service maximally stable.

    (I work at OpenAI.)

    • endymi0n 1 hour ago
      Did you guys do anything about GPT‘s motivation? I tried to use GPT-5.4 API (at xhigh) for my OpenClaw after the Anthropic Oauthgate, but I just couldn‘t drag it to do its job. I had the most hilarious dialogues along the lines of „You stopped, X would have been next.“ - „Yeah, I‘m sorry, I failed. I should have done X next.“ - „Well, how about you just do it?“ - „Yep, I really should have done it now.“ - “Do X, right now, this is an instruction.” - “I didn’t. You’re right, I have failed you. There’s no apology for that.”

      I literally wasn’t able to convince the model to WORK, on a quick, safe and benign subtask that later GLM, Kimi and Minimax succeeded on without issues. Had to kick OpenAI immediately unfortunately.

      • butlike 20 minutes ago
        This brings up an interesting philosophical point: say we get to AGI... who's to say it won't just be a super smart underachiever-type?

        "Hey AGI, how's that cure for cancer coming?"

        "Oh it's done just gotta...formalize it you know. Big rollout and all that..."

        I would find it divinely funny if we "got there" with AGI and it was just a complete slacker. Hard to justify leaving it on, but too important to turn it off.

        • lambdas 15 minutes ago
          Nothing a little digital lisdexamfetamine won’t solve
        • 4m1rk 16 minutes ago
          It probably would, to save energy
        • mikepurvis 18 minutes ago
          Would definitely watch that movie.
      • mikepurvis 15 minutes ago
        Reminds me a lot of the Lena short story, about uploaded brains being used for "virtual image workloading":

        > MMAcevedo's demeanour and attitude contrast starkly with those of nearly all other uploads taken of modern adult humans, most of which boot into a state of disorientation which is quickly replaced by terror and extreme panic. Standard procedures for securing the upload's cooperation such as red-washing, blue-washing, and use of the Objective Statement Protocols are unnecessary. This reduces the necessary computational load required in fast-forwarding the upload through a cooperation protocol, with the result that the MMAcevedo duty cycle is typically 99.4% on suitable workloads, a mark unmatched by all but a few other known uploads. However, MMAcevedo's innate skills and personality make it fundamentally unsuitable for many workloads.

        Well worth the quick read: https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

        • narcindin 8 minutes ago
          Crazy, I could have sworn this story was from a passage in 3 Body Problem (book 2).

          Memory is quite the mysterious thing.

      • arjie 1 hour ago
        Get the actual prompt and have Claude Code / Codex try it out via curl / python requests. The full prompt will yield debugging information. You have to set a few parameters to make sure you get the full gpt-5 performance. e.g. if your reasoning budget too low, you get gpt-4 grade performance.

        IMHO you should just write your own harness so you have full visibility into it, but if you're just using vanilla OpenClaw you have the source code as well so should be straightforward.

        • pantulis 32 minutes ago
          > IMHO you should just write your own harness

          Can you point to some online resources to achieve this? I'm not very sure where I'd begin with.

          • arjie 18 minutes ago
            Ah, I just started with the basic idea. They're super trivial. You want a loop, but the loop can't be infinite so you need to tell the agent to tell you when to stop and to backstop it you add a max_turns. Then to start with just pick a single API, easiest is OpenAI Responses API with OpenAI function calling syntax https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/function-calli...

            You will naturally find the need to add more tools. You'll start with read_file (and then one day you'll read large file and blow context and you'll modify this tool), update_file (can just be an explicit sed to start with), and write_file (fopen . write), and shell.

            It's not hard, but if you want a quick start go download the source code for pi (it's minimal) and tell an existing agent harness to make a minimal copy you can read. As you build more with the agent you'll suddenly realize it's just normal engineering: you'll want to abstract completions APIs so you'll move that to a separate module, you'll want to support arbitrary runtime tools so you'll reimplement skills, you'll want to support subagents because you don't want to blow your main context, you'll see that prefixes are more useful than using a moving window because of caching, etc.

            With a modern Claude Code or Codex harness you can have it walk through from the beginning onwards and you'll encounter all the problems yourself and see why harnesses have what they do. It's super easy to learn by doing because you have the best tool to show you if you're one of those who finds code easier to read that text about code.

          • wild_egg 22 minutes ago
            At the core, they're really very simple [1]. Run LLM API calls in a loop with some tools.

            From there, you can get much fancier with any aspect of it that interests you. Here's one in Bash [2] that is fully extensible at runtime through dynamic discovery of plugins/hooks.

            [1] https://ampcode.com/notes/how-to-build-an-agent

            [2] https://github.com/wedow/harness

          • tonyarkles 18 minutes ago
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        • jswny 11 minutes ago
          Codex is fully open source…
      • mixedCase 1 hour ago
        I've had success asking it to specifically spawn a subagent to evaluate each work iteration according to some criteria, then to keep iterating until the subagent is satisfied.
        • endymi0n 1 hour ago
          I’ve had great success replacing it with Kimi 2.6
      • reactordev 15 minutes ago
        This. I signed up for 5x max for a month to push it and instead it pushed back. I cancelled my subscription. It either half-assed the implementation or began parroting back “You’re right!” instead of doing what it’s asked to do. On one occasion it flat out said it couldn’t complete the task even though I had MCP and skills setup to help it, it still refused. Not a safety check but a “I’m unable to figure out what to do” kind of way.

        Claude has no such limitations apart from their actual limits…

      • adammarples 20 minutes ago
        Part of me actually loves that the hitchhiker's guide was right, and we have to argue with paranoid, depressed robots to get them to do their job, and that this is a very real part of life in 2026. It's so funny.
      • henry2023 23 minutes ago
        I’m sorry for you but this is hilarious.
      • lostmsu 59 minutes ago
        I never saw that happen in Codex so there's a good chance that OpenClaw does something wrong. My main suspicion would be that it does not pass back thinking traces.
        • vintagedave 49 minutes ago
          Anecdata, but I see this in Codex all the time. It takes about two rounds before it realises it's supposed to continue.
          • dgunay 25 minutes ago
            I started seeing this a lot more with GPT 5.4. 5.3-codex is really good about patiently watching and waiting on external processes like CI, or managing other agents async. 5.4 keeps on yielding its turn to me for some reason even as it says stuff like "I'm continuing to watch and wait."
      • smartmic 1 hour ago
        Gone are the days of deterministic programming, when computers simply carried out the operator’s commands because there was no other option but to close or open the relays exactly as the circuitry dictated. Welcome to the future of AI; the future we’ve been longing for and that will truly propel us forward, because AI knows and can do things better than we do.
        • endymi0n 39 minutes ago
          I had this funny moment when I realized we went full circle...

          "INTERCAL has many other features designed to make it even more aesthetically unpleasing to the programmer: it uses statements such as "READ OUT", "IGNORE", "FORGET", and modifiers such as "PLEASE". This last keyword provides two reasons for the program's rejection by the compiler: if "PLEASE" does not appear often enough, the program is considered insufficiently polite, and the error message says this; if it appears too often, the program could be rejected as excessively polite. Although this feature existed in the original INTERCAL compiler, it was undocumented.[7]"

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL

          • basilgohar 26 minutes ago
            Thank you for this. I somehow never heard of this. I thoroughly enjoyed reading that and the loss of sanity it resulted in,
        • WarmWash 40 minutes ago
          These are orthogonal from each other.
      • whatsupdog 39 minutes ago
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      • addaon 1 hour ago
        Isn’t this the optimal behavior assuming that at times the service is compute-limited and that you’re paying less per token (flat fee subscription?) than some other customers? They would be strongly motivated to turn a knob to minimize tokens allocated to you to allow them to be allocated to more valuable customers.
        • endymi0n 1 hour ago
          well, I do understand the core motivation, but if the system prompt literally says “I am not budget constrained. Spend tokens liberally, think hardest, be proactive, never be lazy.” and I’m on an open pay-per-token plan on the API, that’s not what I consider optimal behavior, even in a business sense.
          • addaon 1 hour ago
            Fair, if you’re paying per token (at comparable rates to other customers) I wouldn’t expect this behavior from a competent company.
      • pixel_popping 1 hour ago
        GPT 5.4 is really good at following precise instructions but clearly wouldn't innovate on its own (except if the instructions clearly state to innovate :))
    • dandiep 12 minutes ago
      Will GPT 5.5 fine tuning be released any time soon?
    • vlovich123 1 hour ago
      Conceivably you could have a public-facing dashboard of the rollout status to reduce confusion or even make it visible directly in the UI that the model is there but not yet available to you. The fanciest would be to include an ETA but that's presumably difficult since it's hard to guess in case the rollout has issues.
      • moralestapia 1 hour ago
        Why would you be confused?

        The UI tells you which model you're using at any given time.

    • Grp1 1 hour ago
      Congrats on the release! Is Images 2.0 rolling out inside ChatGPT as well, or is some of the functionality still going to be API/Playground-only for a while?
      • minimaxir 1 hour ago
        Images 2.0 is already in ChatGPT.
        • Grp1 47 minutes ago
          Great, thanks for clarifying :)
    • qsort 1 hour ago
      Great stuff! Congrats on the release!
    • wslh 43 minutes ago
      Just a tip: add [translated] subtitles to the top video.
    • motoboi 1 hour ago
      Please next time start with azure foundry lol thanks!
    • stefan_ 1 hour ago
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      • mh- 1 hour ago
        Every low-effort, thought-free comment like this further discourages people from engaging here on submissions about their employer.

        Please don't.

    • dude250711 1 hour ago
      With Anthropic, newer models often lead to quality degradation. Will you keep GPT 5.4 available for some time?
    • pixel_popping 1 hour ago
      can't wait! Thanks guys. PS: when you drop a new model, it would be smart to reset weekly or at least session limits :)
      • pietz 1 hour ago
        OpenAI has been very generous with limit resets. Please don't turn this into a weird expectation to happen whenever something unrelated happens. It would piss me off if I were in their place and I really don't want them to stop.
        • pixel_popping 1 hour ago
          The suggestion wasn't about general limit resets when there is bugs or outages, but commercially useful to let users try new models when they have already reached their weekly limits.
        • cactusplant7374 1 hour ago
          There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking or suggesting. They are adults. I'm sure they can handle it.
        • Petersipoi 1 hour ago
          Sorry but why should we care if very reasonable suggestions "piss [them] off"? That sounds like a them problem. "Them" being a very wealthy business. I think OpenAI will survive this very difficult time that GP has put them through.
      • cmrdporcupine 1 hour ago
        Limits were just reset two days ago.
        • wahnfrieden 1 hour ago
          And yet there was an outage last night
          • lawgimenez 1 hour ago
            And they're having an outage right now.
  • simonw 49 minutes ago
    This doesn't have API access yet, but OpenAI seem to approve of the Codex API backdoor used by OpenClaw these days... https://twitter.com/steipete/status/2046775849769148838 and https://twitter.com/romainhuet/status/2038699202834841962

    And that backdoor API has GPT-5.5.

    So here's a pelican: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Apr/23/gpt-5-5/#and-some-peli...

    I used this new plugin for LLM: https://github.com/simonw/llm-openai-via-codex

    UPDATE: I got a much better pelican by setting the reasoning effort to xhigh: https://gist.github.com/simonw/a6168e4165a258e4d664aeae8e602...

    • deflator 31 minutes ago
      Hmm. Any idea why it's so much worse than the other ones you have posted lately? Even the open weight local models were much better, like the Qwen one you posted yesterday.
      • simonw 2 minutes ago
        The xhigh one was better, but clearly OpenAI have not been focusing their training efforts on SVG illustrations of animals riding modes of transport!
    • DrProtic 45 minutes ago
      That pelican you posted yesterday from a local model looks nicer than this one.

      Edit: this one has crossed legs lol

      • BeetleB 35 minutes ago
        It really needs to pee.
    • XCSme 35 minutes ago
      Is this direct API usage allowed by their terms? I remember Anthropic really not liking such usage.
    • andriy_koval 33 minutes ago
      what is your setup for drawing pelican? Do you ask model to check generated image, find issues and iterate over it which would demonstrate models real abilities?
      • simonw 1 minute ago
        It's generally one-shot-only - whatever comes out the first time is what I go with.

        I've been contemplating a more fair version where each model gets 3-5 attempts and then can select which rendered image is "best".

    • droidjj 42 minutes ago
      It's... like no pelican I've ever seen before.
    • postalcoder 31 minutes ago
      I made pelicans at different thinking efforts:

      https://hcker.news/pelican-low.svg

      https://hcker.news/pelican-medium.svg

      https://hcker.news/pelican-high.svg

      https://hcker.news/pelican-xhigh.svg

      Someone needs to make a pelican arena, I have no idea if these are considered good or not.

      • seanw444 15 minutes ago
        Can someone explain how we arrived at the pelican test? Was there some actual theory behind why it's difficult to produce? Or did someone just think it up, discover it was consistently difficult, and now we just all know it's a good test?
        • simonw 1 minute ago
          I set it up as a joke, to make fun of all of the other benchmarks. To my surprise it ended up being a surprisingly good measure of the quality of the model for other tasks (up to a certain point at least), though I've never seen a convincing argument as to why.

          I gave a talk about it last year: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/6/six-months-in-llms/

          It should not be treated as a serious benchmark.

        • redox99 8 minutes ago
          It all began with a Microsoft researcher showing a unicorn drawn in tikz using GPT4. It was an example of something so outrageous that there was no way it existed in the training data. And that's back when models were not multimodal.

          Nowadays I think it's pretty silly, because there's surely SVG drawing training data and some effort from the researchers put onto this task. It's not a showcase of emergent properties.

        • Gander5739 9 minutes ago
        • CamperBob2 8 minutes ago
          It's interesting to see some semblance of spatial reasoning emerge from systems based on textual tokens. Could be seen as a potential proxy for other desirable traits.

          It's meta-interesting that few if any models actually seem to be training on it. Same with other stereotypical challenges like the car-wash question, which is still sometimes failed by high-end models.

          If I ran an AI lab, I'd take it as a personal affront if my model emitted a malformed pelican or advised walking to a car wash. Heads would roll.

      • deflator 27 minutes ago
        They are not good, and they seem to get worse as you increased effort. Weird
        • postalcoder 22 minutes ago
          Yeah. I've always loosely correlated pelican quality with big model smell but I'm not picking that up here. I thought this was supposed to be spud? Weird indeed.
        • throw310822 16 minutes ago
          No but I can sense the movement, I think it's already reached the level of intelligence that draws it towards futurism or cubism /s
  • Someone1234 1 hour ago
    I'd like to draw people's attention to this section of this page:

    https://developers.openai.com/codex/pricing?codex-usage-limi...

    Note the Local Messages between 5.3, 5.4, and 5.5. And, yes, I did read the linked article and know they're claiming that 5.5's new efficient should make it break-even with 5.4, but the point stands, tighter limits/higher prices.

    • puppystench 1 hour ago
      For API usage, GPT-5.5 is 2x the price of GPT-5.4, ~4x the price of GPT-5.1, and ~10x the price of Kimi-2.6.

      Unfortunately I think the lesson they took from Anthropic is that devs get really reliant and even addicted on coding agents, and they'll happily pay any amount for even small benefits.

      • kingstnap 55 minutes ago
        I feel like devs generally spend someone else's money on tokens. Either their employers or OpenAIs when they use a codex subscription.

        If I put on my schizo hat. Something they might be doing is increasing the losses on their monthly codex subscriptions, to show that the API has a higher margin than before (the codex account massively in the negative, but the API account now having huge margins).

        I've never seen an OpenAI investor pitch deck. But my guess is that API margins is one of the big ones they try to sell people on since Sama talks about it on Twitter.

        I would be interested in hearing the insider stuff. Like if this model is genuinely like twice as expensive to serve or something.

        • mitjam 9 minutes ago
          The difference between sub and api price makes it hard to create competitive solutions on the app level.
        • ewrs 52 minutes ago
          Yeah and the increase in operating expenses is going to make managers start asking hard questions - this is good. It means eventually there will be budgets put in place - this will force OAI and Anthropic to innovate harder. Then we will see how things pan out. Ultimately a firm is not going to pay rent to these firms if the benefits dont exceed the costs.
          • dist-epoch 1 minute ago
            > Ultimately a firm is not going to pay rent to these firms if the benefits dont exceed the costs.

            This is also true for the humans. They will need to provide more benefits than the coding agents cost.

      • JohnLocke4 46 minutes ago
        Sometimes I wonder if innovation in the AI space has stalled and recent progress is just a product of increased compute. Competence is increasing exponentially[1] but I guess it doesn't rule it out completely. I would postulate that a radical architecture shift is needed for the singularity though

        [1]https://arxiv.org/html/2503.14499v1* *Source is from March 2025 so make of it what you will.

        • nomel 39 minutes ago
          > that devs get really reliant and even addicted on coding agents

          An alternative perspective is, devs highly value coding agents, and are willing to pay more because they're so useful. In other words, the market value of this limited resource is being adjusted to be closer to reality.

      • pxc 46 minutes ago
        Maybe that's true. But I think part of the issue is that for a lot of things developers want to do with them now— certainly for most of the things I want to do with them— they're either barely good enough, or not consistently good enough. And the value difference across that quality threshold is immense, even if the quality difference itself isn't.
      • pzo 52 minutes ago
        On top of that I noticed just right now after updating macos dekstop codex app, I got again by default set speed to 'fast' ('about 1.5x faster with increased plan usage'). They really want you to burn more tokens.
      • oh_no 1 hour ago
        what's the source on that?
        • puppystench 1 hour ago
          In the announcement webpage:

          >For API developers, gpt-5.5 will soon be available in the Responses and Chat Completions APIs at $5 per 1M input tokens and $30 per 1M output tokens, with a 1M context window.

          • oh_no 54 minutes ago
            oops, thanks. i had just been looking at their api docs
  • astlouis44 2 hours ago
    A playable 3D dungeon arena prototype built with Codex and GPT models. Codex handled the game architecture, TypeScript/Three.js implementation, combat systems, enemy encounters, HUD feedback, and GPT‑generated environment textures. Character models, character textures, and animations were created with third-party asset-generation tools

    The game that this prompt generated looks pretty decent visually. A big part of this likely due to the fact the meshes were created using a seperate tool (probably meshy, tripo.ai, or similiar) and not generated by 5.5 itself.

    It really seems like we could be at the dawn of a new era similiar to flash, where any gamer or hobbyist can generate game concepts quickly and instantly publish them to the web. Three.js in particular is really picking up as the primary way to design games with AI, in spite of the fact it's not even a game engine, just a web rendering library.

    • 0x62 1 hour ago
      FWIW I've been experimenting with Three.js and AI for the last ~3 years, and noticed a significant improvement in 5.4 - the biggest single generation leap for Three.js specifically. It was most evident in shaders (GLSL), but also apparent in structuring of Three.js scenes across multiple pages/components.

      It still struggles to create shaders from scratch, but is now pretty adequate at editing existing shaders.

      In 5.2 and below, GPT really struggled with "one canvas, multiple page" experiences, where a single background canvas is kept rendered over routes. In 5.4, it still takes a bit of hand-holding and frequent refactor/optimisation prompts, but is a lot more capable.

      Excited to test 5.5 and see how it is in practice.

      • CSMastermind 1 hour ago
        > It still struggles to create shaders from scratch

        Oh just like a real developer

        • accrual 43 minutes ago
          Much respect for shader developers, it's a different way of thinking/programming
    • dataviz1000 8 minutes ago
      LLM models can not do spacial reasoning. I haven't tried with GPT, however, Claude can not solve a Rubik Cube no matter how much I try with prompt engineering. I got Opus 4.6 to get ~70% of the puzzle solved but it got stuck. At $20 a run it prohibitively expensive.

      The point is if we can prompt an LLM to reason about 3 dimensions, we likely will be able to apply that to math problems which it won't be able to solve currently.

      I should release my Rubiks Cube MCP server with the challenge to see if someone can write a prompt to solve a Rubik's Cube.

    • vunderba 1 hour ago
      I’ve had a lot of success using LLMs to help with my Three.js based games and projects. Many of my weird clock visualizations relied heavily on it.

      It might not be a game engine, but it’s the de facto standard for doing WebGL 3D. And since it’s been around forever, there’s a massive amount of training data available for it.

      Before LLMs were a thing, I relied more on Babylon.js, since it’s a bit higher level and gives you more batteries included for game development.

    • kingstnap 1 hour ago
      The meshes look interesting, but the gameplay is very basic. The tank one seems more sophisticated with the flying ships and whatnot.

      What's strange is that this Pietro Schirano dude seems to write incredibly cargo cult prompts.

        Game created by Pietro Schirano, CEO of MagicPath
      
        Prompt: Create a 3D game using three.js. It should be a UFO shooter where I control a tank and shoot down UFOs flying overhead.
        - Think step by step, take a deep breath. Repeat the question back before answering.
        - Imagine you're writing an instruction message for a junior developer who's going to go build this. Can you write something extremely clear and specific for them, including which files they should look at for the change and which ones need to be fixed?
        -Then write all the code. Make the game low-poly but beautiful.
        - Remember, you are an agent: please keep going until the user's query is completely resolved before ending your turn and yielding back to the user. Decompose the user's query into all required sub-requests and confirm that each one is completed. Do not stop after completing only part of the request. Only terminate your turn when you are sure the problem is solved. You must be prepared to answer multiple queries and only finish the call once the user has confirmed they're done.
        - You must plan extensively in accordance with the workflow steps before making subsequent function calls, and reflect extensively on the outcomes of each function call, ensuring the user's query and related sub-requests are completely resolved.
      • torginus 16 minutes ago
        It's weird how people pep talk the AI - if my Jira tickets looked like this, I would throw a fit.

        I guess these people think, they have special prompt engineering skills, and doing it like this is better than giving the AI a dry list of requirements (fwiw, they might be even right)

      • skirano 20 minutes ago
        Pietro here, I just published a video of it: https://x.com/skirano/status/2047403025094905964?s=20
      • tantalor 1 hour ago
        It comes across as an elaborate, sparkly motivational cat poster.

        *BELIEVE!* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2CRtES2K3E

      • ahoka 16 minutes ago
        "take a deep breath"

        OMFG

      • bredren 49 minutes ago
        The prompt did not specify advanced gameplay.

        I do not see instructions to assist in task decomposition and agent ~"motivation" to stay aligned over long periods as cargo culting.

        See up thread for anecdotes [1].

        > Decompose the user's query into all required sub-requests and confirm that each one is completed. Do not stop after completing only part of the request. Only terminate your turn when you are sure the problem is solved.

        I see this as a portrayal of the strength of 5.5, since it suggests the ability to be assigned this clearly important role to ~one shot requests like this.

        I've been using a cli-ai-first task tool I wrote to process complex "parent" or "umberella" into decomposed subtasks and then execute on them.

        This has allowed my workflows to float above the ups and downs of model performance.

        That said, having the AI do the planning for a big request like this internally is not good outside a demo.

        Because, you want the planning of the AI to be part of the historical context and available for forensics due to stalls, unwound details or other unexpected issues at any point along the way.

        [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47879819

      • irthomasthomas 1 hour ago
        > Think Step By Step

        What is this, 2023?

        I feel like this was generated by a model tapping in to 2023 notions of prompt engineering.

    • ZeWaka 1 hour ago
      I personally don't think the gameplay itself is that impressive.
    • gregpred 2 hours ago
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  • jfkimmes 1 hour ago
    Everyone talked about the marketing stunt that was Anthropic's gated Mythos model with an 83% result on CyberGym. OpenAI just dropped GPT 5.5, which scores 82% and is open for anybody to use.

    I recommend anybody in offensive/defensive cybersecurity to experiment with this. This is the real data point we needed - without the hype!

    Never thought I'd say this but OpenAI is the 'open' option again.

    • tpurves 32 minutes ago
      The real 'hype' was that the oh-snap realization that Open AI would absolutely release a competitive model to Mythos within weeks of Anthropic announcing there's, and that Sam would not gate access to it. So the panic was that the cyber world had only a projected 2 weeks to harden all these new zero days before Sam would inevitably create open season for blackhats to discover and exploit a deluge of zero-days.
      • zozbot234 1 minute ago
        Access to GPT's "cyber" capabilities was already gated when Anthropic announced Mythos.
    • ur-whale 12 minutes ago
      > Anthropic's gated Mythos model

      aka the perfect marketing ploy

    • tnkuehne 1 hour ago
      isnt it like cyber question are being routed to dumper models at openai?
      • jfkimmes 1 hour ago
        Do you have a source for that?

        Neither the release post, nor the model card seems to indicate anything like this?

        • tech234a 21 minutes ago
        • nikanj 32 minutes ago
          Anything that even vaguely smells like security research, reverse engineering or similar "dual-use" application hits the guardrails hard and fast. "Hey codex, here is our codebase, help us find exploitable issues" gives a "I can't help you with that, but I'm happy to give you a vague lecture on memory safety or craft a valgrind test harness"
  • minimaxir 2 hours ago
    The more interesting part of the announcement than "it's better at benchmarks":

    > To better utilize GPUs, Codex analyzed weeks’ worth of production traffic patterns and wrote custom heuristic algorithms to optimally partition and balance work. The effort had an outsized impact, increasing token generation speeds by over 20%.

    The ability for agentic LLMs to improve computational efficiency/speed is a highly impactful domain I wish was more tested than with benchmarks. From my experience Opus is still much better than GPT/Codex in this aspect, but given that OpenAI is getting material gains out of this type of performancemaxxing and they have an increasing incentive to continue doing so given cost/capacity issues, I wonder if OpenAI will continue optimizing for it.

    • xiphias2 1 hour ago
      There's already KernelBench which tests CUDA kernel optimizations.

      On the other hand all companies know that optimizing their own infrastructure / models is the critical path for ,,winning'' against the competition, so you can bet they are serious about it.

    • amrrs 2 hours ago
      Honestly the problem with these is how empirical it is, how someone can reproduce this? I love when Labs go beyond traditional benchies like MMLU and friends but these kind of statements don't help much either - unless it's a proper controlled study!
      • minimaxir 1 hour ago
        In a sense it's better than a benchmark: it's a practical, real-world, highly quantifiable improvement assuming there are no quality regressions and passes all test cases. I have been experimenting with this workflow across a variety of computational domains and have achieved consistent results with both Opus and GPT. My coworkers have independently used Opus for optimization suggestions on services in prod and they've led to much better performance (3x in some cases).

        A more empirical test would be good for everyone (i.e. on equal hardware, give each agent the goal to implement an algorithm and make it as fast as possible, then quantify relative speed improvements that pass all test cases).

        • squibonpig 1 minute ago
          Yeah but like what if they're sorta embellishing it or just lying? That's the issue with not being reproducible.
      • jstanley 1 hour ago
        Oh, come on, if they do well on benchmarks people question how applicable they are in reality. If they do well in reality people complain that it's not a reproducible benchmark...
  • silvertaza 16 minutes ago
    Still huge hallucination rate, unfortunately at 86%. To compare, Opus sits at 36%.

    Source: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models?omniscience=omniscience...

  • 6thbit 54 minutes ago

                              Mythos     5.5
        SWE-bench Pro          77.8%*   58.6%
        Terminal-bench-2.0     82.0%    82.7%*
        GPQA Diamond           94.6%*   93.6%
        H. Last Exam           56.8%*   41.4%
        H. Last Exam (tools)   64.7%*   52.2%    
        BrowseComp             86.9%    84.4%  (90.1% Pro)*
        OSWorld-Verified       79.6%*   78.7%
    
    
    Still far from Mythos on SWE-bench but quite comparable otherwise. Source for mythos values: https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing
    • aliljet 26 minutes ago
      Mythos is only real when it's actually available. If you're using Opus 4.7 right now, you know how incredibly nerfed the Opus autonomy is in service of perceived safety. I'm not so confident this will be as great as Anthropic wants us to believe..
    • XCSme 22 minutes ago
      They mentioned in their release page, that the Claude team noticed memorization of the SWE-bench test, so the test is actually in the training data.

      Here: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-7#:~:text=memor...

  • applfanboysbgon 2 hours ago
    If there's a bingo card for model releases, "our [superlative] and [superlative] model yet" is surely the free space.
    • tom1337 1 hour ago
      Do "our [superlative] and [superlative] [product] yet" and you have pretty much every product launch
      • SequoiaHope 1 hour ago
        I love when Apple says they’re releasing their best iPhone yet so I know the new model is better than the old ones.
    • xnx 1 hour ago
      "our newest and most expensive model yet"
    • ertgbnm 51 minutes ago
      can't wait for "our worst and dumbest model yet"
      • Nition 38 minutes ago
        Apple should have used that one for the 2016 MacBook.
  • vthallam 1 hour ago
    This model is great at long horizon tasks, and Codex now has heartbeats, so it can keep checking on things. Give it your hardest problem that would take hours with verifiable constraints, you will see how good this is:)

    *I work at OAI.

    • dannyw 26 minutes ago
      It's genuinely so great at long horizon tasks! GPT-5.5 solved many long-horizon frontier challenges, for the first time for an AI model we've tested, in our internal evals at Canva :) Congrats on the launch!
    • dandaka 50 minutes ago
      Could be a great feature, can't wait to test! Tired of other models (looking at you Opus) constantly stuck mid-task lately.
      • winrid 8 minutes ago
        Interesting, I just had opus convert a 35k loc java game to c++ overnight (root agent that orchestrated and delegated to sub agents) and woke up and it's done and works.

        What plan are you on? I'm starting to wonder if they're dynamically adjusting reasoning based on plan or something.

  • mudkipdev 1 hour ago
    This is 3x the price of GPT-5.1, released just 6 months ago. Is no one else alarmed by the trend? What happens when the cheaper models are deprecated/removed over time?
    • Night_Thastus 5 minutes ago
      This is entirely expected. The low prices of using LLMs early on was totally and completely unsustainable. The companies providing such services were (and still are) burning money by the truckload.

      The hope is to get a big userbase who eventually become dependent on it for their workflow, then crank up the price until it finally becomes profitable.

      The price for all models by all companies will continue to go up, and quickly.

    • energy123 51 minutes ago
      Look a cost per intelligence or cost per task instead of cost per token.
      • yokoprime 25 minutes ago
        How do I reliably measure 1 unit of intelligence?
      • ulimn 38 minutes ago
        Isn't the outcome / solution for a given task non-deterministic? So can we reliably measure that?
        • foota 22 minutes ago
          Yes, sort of. Generally you can measure the pass rate on a benchmark given a fixed compute budget. A sufficiently smart model can hit a high pass rate with fewer tokens/compute. Check out the cost efficiency on https://artificialanalysis.ai/ (say this posted here the other day, pretty neat charts!)
        • torginus 11 minutes ago
          This is the only correct take. The only metric that matters is cost per desired outcome.
        • genericresponse 25 minutes ago
          Statistically. Do many trials and measure how often it succeeds/fails.
        • dns_snek 26 minutes ago
          Repetition and statistics, if you have $1000++ you didn't need anyway.
        • throwuxiytayq 15 minutes ago
          It's much easier to measure a language model's intelligence than a human's because you can take as many samples as you want without affecting its knowledge. And we do measure human intelligence.
    • dannyw 29 minutes ago
      It's far more meaningful to look at the actual cost to successfully something. The token efficiency of GPT-5.5 is real; as well as it just being far better for work.
    • operatingthetan 54 minutes ago
      We know they cost much more than this for OpenAI. Assume prices will continue to climb until they are making money.
    • msdz 50 minutes ago
      Such an increase tracks the company's valuation trend, which they constantly, somehow have to justify (let alone break even on costs).
    • dandaka 57 minutes ago
      SOTA models get distilled to open source weights in ~6 months. So paying premium for bleeding edge performance sounds like a fair compensation for enormous capex.
  • BrokenCogs 1 hour ago
    I'm here for the pelicans and I'm not leaving until I see one!
  • aliljet 1 hour ago
    I've found myself so deeply embedded in the Claude Max subscription that I'm worried about potentially makign a switch. How are people making sure they stay nimble enough not to get trarpped by one company's ecosystem over another? For what it's worth, Opus 4.7 has not been a step up and it's come with an enormously higher usage of the subscription Anthropic offers making the entire offering double worse.
    • rane 9 minutes ago
      This might be the opposite of staying nimble as my workflows are quite tied to Claude Code specifically, however I've been experimenting with using OpenAI models in CC and it works surprisingly well.
    • threecheese 11 minutes ago
      Anecdotally, I get the same wall time with my Max x5 (100$) and my ChatGPT Teams (30$) subscriptions.
    • type4 57 minutes ago
      I have a directory of skills that I symlink to Codex/Claude/pi. I make scripts that correspond with them to do any heavy lifting, I avoid platform specific features like Claude's hooks. I also symlink/share a user AGENTS.md/CLAUDE.md

      MCPs aren't as smooth, but I just set them up in each environment.

    • chis 33 minutes ago
      It's surprisingly simple to switch. I mean both products offer basically identical coding CLI experiences. Personally I've been paying for Claude max $100, and ChatGPT $20, and then just using ChatGPT to fill in the gaps. Specifically I like it for code review and when Claude is down.
    • cube2222 39 minutes ago
      Small tip, at least for now you can switch back to Opus 4.6, both in the ui and in Claude Code.
    • dheera 31 minutes ago
      Coding models are effectively free. They are capable of making money and supporting themselves given access to the right set of things. That is what I do
    • dogline 53 minutes ago
      Except for history, I don’t find much that stops you from switching back and forth on the CLI. They both use tools, each has a different voice, but they both work. Have it summarize your existing history into a markdown file, and read it in with any engine.

      The APIs are pretty interchangeable too. Just ask to convert from one to the other if you need to.

  • h14h 1 hour ago
    This seems huge for subscription customers. Looking at the Artificial Analysis numbers, 5.5 at medium effort yields roughly the intelligence as 5.4 (xhigh) while using less than a fifth the tokens.

    As long as tokens count roughly equally towards subscription plan usage between 5.5 & 5.4, you can look at this as effectively a 5x increase in usage limits.

    • gausswho 42 minutes ago
      As someone who always leaves intelligence at default, and am ok with existing models, should I be shifting gears more manually as providers sell us newer models? Is medium or lower better than free/cheaper models?
  • CompleteSkeptic 50 minutes ago
    Is this the first time OpenAI has published comparisons to other labs?

    Seems so to me - see GPT-5.4[1] and 5.2[2] announcements.

    Might be an tacit admission of being behind.

    [1] https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-4/ [2] https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2/

  • zerotosixty 4 minutes ago
    Those who are using gpt5.5 how does it compare to Opus 4.6 / 4.7 in terms of code generation?
  • gallerdude 1 hour ago
    If GPT-5.5 Pro really was Spud, and two years of pretraining culminated in one release, WOW, you cannot feel it at all from this announcement. If OpenAI wants to know why they like they’ve fallen behind the vibes of Anthropic, they need to look no further than their marketing department. This makes everything feel like a completely linear upgrade in every way.
    • I_am_tiberius 1 hour ago
      Clearly they felt a big backlash when version 5 was released. Now they are afraid of another response like this. And effectively, for the user it will likely only be a small update.
    • jimbob45 1 hour ago
      Also the naming department. You can tell that this is the AI company Microsoft chose to back because their naming scheme is as bad as .NET's.
      • gallerdude 45 minutes ago
        I actually have no problem with the 5.x line... but if Pro really was an entirely new pretrain, they did a horrible job conveying that.
  • NitpickLawyer 1 hour ago
    > Across all three evals, GPT‑5.5 improves on GPT‑5.4’s scores while using fewer tokens.

    Yeah, this was the next step. Have RLVR make the model good. Next iteration start penalising long + correct and reward short + correct.

    > CyberGym 81.8%

    Mythos was self reported at 83.1% ... So not far. Also it seems they're going the same route with verification. We're entering the era where SotA will only be available after KYC, it seems.

    • toraway 46 minutes ago
      Isn't Mythos limited to a selected group of companies/organizations Anthropic chose themselves? If the OpenAI announcement for GPT-5.5 is accurate the "trusted cyber access" just requires an open, seemingly straightforward identity verification step.

      https://openai.com/index/scaling-trusted-access-for-cyber-de...

        > We are expanding access to accelerate cyber defense at every level. We are making our cyber-permissive models available through Trusted Access for Cyber , starting with Codex, which includes expanded access to the advanced cybersecurity capabilities of GPT‑5.5 with fewer restrictions for verified users meeting certain trust signals (opens in a new window) at launch.
      
        > Broad access is made possible through our investments in model safety, authenticated usage, and monitoring for impermissible use. We have been working with external experts for months to develop, test and iterate on the robustness of these safeguards. With GPT‑5.5, we are ensuring developers can secure their code with ease, while putting stronger controls around the cyber workflows most likely to cause harm by malicious actors.
      
        > Organizations who are responsible for defending critical infrastructure  can apply to access cyber-permissive models like GPT‑5.4‑Cyber, while meeting strict security requirements to use these models for securing their internal systems.
      
      "GPT‑5.4‑Cyber" is something else and apparently needs some kind of special access, but that CyberGym benchmark result seems to apply to the more or less open GPT-5.5 model that was just released.
    • cbg0 1 hour ago
      Isn't CyberGym an open benchmark so trivial to benchmaxx anyway?
    • mattas 1 hour ago
      Not good for employees that are being measured by their token usage.
  • ativzzz 2 hours ago
    I like that they waited for opus 4.7 to come out first so they had a few days to find the benchmarks that gpt 5.5 is better at
    • eknkc 1 hour ago
      Well anectodally, 5.4 was already better than opus 4.7 so it should not have been hard.
    • wahnfrieden 1 hour ago
      I like that Anthropic rushed 4.7 out to get a couple days of coverage before 5.5 hit
      • spprashant 1 hour ago
        Everything since that launch to this release has been a PR disaster for Anthropic.
        • dandaka 53 minutes ago
          I can argue that disaster started mid-4.6, when they started juggling with rate limits while hitting uptime problems. Great we have some healthy competition and waiting for the next move from Deepmind.
  • pants2 7 minutes ago
    Labs still aren't publishing ARC-AGI-3 scores, even though it's been out for some time. Is it because the numbers are too embarrassing?
    • kilroy123 2 minutes ago
      To be fair, there's not much to report. Isn't it pretty much at 0?
  • nickvec 32 minutes ago
    I'm conflicted whether I should keep my Claude Max 5x subscription at this point and switch back to GPT/Codex... anyone else in a similar position? I'd rather not be paying for two AI providers and context switching between the two, though I'm having a hard time gauging if Claude Code is still the "cream of the crop" for SWE work. I haven't played around with Codex much.
    • GetMeSoon 7 minutes ago
      Codex is miles better for me, especially with Elixir. There is really no debate.
    • the_sleaze_ 26 minutes ago
      I have experienced 0 friction swapping between the 2 models, in fact pitting them against eachother has resulted in the highest success rate for me so far.
      • nickvec 25 minutes ago
        Interesting. I may have to give that a shot, thanks.
  • jryio 2 hours ago
    Their 'Preparedness Framework'[1] is 20 pages and looks ChatGPT generated, I don't feel prepared reading it.

    https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/18a02b5d-6b67-4cec-ab64-68cdfbdde...

  • losvedir 1 hour ago
    > It excels at ... researching online

    How does this work exactly? Is there like a "search online" tool that the harness is expected to provide? Or does the OpenAI infra do that as part of serving the response?

    I've been working on building my own agent, just for fun, and I conceptually get using a command line, listing files, reading them, etc, but am sort of stumped how I'm supposed to do the web search piece of it.

    Given that they're calling out that this model is great at online research - to what extent is that a property of the model itself? I would have thought that was a harness concern.

    • wincy 32 minutes ago
      I’ve noticed when writing little bedtime stories that require specific research (my kids like Pokemon stories and they’ve been having an episodic “pokemon adventure” with them as the protagonists) ChatGPT has done a fantastic job of first researching the moves the pokemon have, then writing the actual story. The only mistake it consistently makes is when I summarize and move from a full context session, it thinks that Gyarados has to swim and is incapable of flying.

      It definitely seems like it does all the searching first, with a separate model, loads that in, then does the actual writing.

    • 100ms 1 hour ago
      It's literally a distinct model with a different optimisation goal compared to normal chat. There's a ton of public information around how they work and how they're trained
  • 2001zhaozhao 1 hour ago
    Pricing: $5/1M input, $30/1M output

    (same input price and 20% more output price than Opus 4.7)

    • tedsanders 45 minutes ago
      Yep, it's more expensive per token.

      However, I do want to emphasize that this is per token, not per task.

      If we look at Opus 4.7, it uses smaller tokens (1-1.35x more than Opus 4.6) and it was also trained to think longer. https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-7

      On the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index eval for example, in order to hit a score of 57%, Opus 4.7 takes ~5x as many output tokens as GPT-5.5, which dwarfs the difference in per-token pricing.

      The token differential varies a lot by task, so it's hard to give a reliable rule of thumb (I'm guessing it's usually going to be well below ~5x), but hope this shows that price per task is not a linear function of price per token, as different models use different token vocabularies and different amounts of tokens.

      We have raised per-token prices for our last couple models, but we've also made them a lot more efficient for the same capability level.

      (I work at OpenAI.)

      • simianwords 28 minutes ago
        Maybe a good idea to be more explicit about this -- maybe a cost analysis benchmark would be a nice accompaniment.

        This kind of thing keeps popping up each time a new model is released and I don't think people are aware that token efficiency can change.

        • tedsanders 4 minutes ago
          Agreed. Would be great if everyone starts reporting cost per task alongside eval scores, especially in a world where you can spend arbitrary test-time compute. This is one thing I like about the Artificial Analysis website - they include cost to run alongside their eval scores: https://artificialanalysis.ai/
    • oh_no 50 minutes ago
      yes but as far as i know gpt tokenizer is about the same as opus 4.6's, where 4.7 is seeing something in the ballpark of a 30% increase. this should still be cheaper even disregarding the concerns around 4.7 thinking burning tokens
    • sergiotapia 1 hour ago
      That pricing is extremely spicy, wow.
  • baalimago 1 hour ago
    Worth the 100% price increase over GPT-5.4?
    • cbg0 1 hour ago
      For less than 10% bump across the benchmarks? Probably not, but if your employer is paying (which is probably what OAI is counting on) it's all good.

      It's kind of starting to make sense that they doubled the usage on Pro plans - if the usage drains twice as fast on 5.5 after that promo is over a lot of people on the $100 plan might have to upgrade.

      • jstummbillig 1 hour ago
        You are paying per token, but what you care about is token efficiency. If token efficiency has improved by as much as they claim it did (i.e. you need less tokens to complete a task successfully) all seems well.
        • mangolie 1 hour ago
          Not for coding because it actually needs to read and write large files
          • jstummbillig 52 minutes ago
            Tbf, I have not super kept track of what is actually happening inside the "thinking" portion of recent releases. But last time I checked there still was a lot of verbosity and mistakes, that beat the actual amount of required, usable code generation by a wide margin.
          • baalimago 1 hour ago
            Well, sort of. Imagine the case where it first scans the repo, then "intelligently" creates architecture files describing the project. The level of intelligence will create a varying quality of summary, with varying need of deep-scans on subsequent sessions. Level of intelligence will also increase comprehension of these architecture files.

            Same principle applies when designing plans for complex tasks, etc. Token amount to grasp a concept is what matters.

        • cbg0 1 hour ago
          If it uses half the tokens to complete a task, then doubling the cost is perfectly fine. But is that actually true?
          • 2001zhaozhao 1 hour ago
            This happens with every new model release though. The model makes less mistakes and spends less time fixing them, resulting in a token usage reduction for the same difficulty of task. Almost any task other than straight boilerplate will benefit from this.

            In the same vein, I would guess that Opus 4.7 is probably cheaper for most tasks than 4.6, even though the tokenizer uses more tokens for the same length of string.

            • jorl17 1 hour ago
              Maybe you'll have better luck but our team just cannot use Opus 4.7.

              Some say it goes off on endless tangents, others that it doesn't work enough. Personally, it acts, talks, and makes mistakes like GPT models, for a much more exorbitant price. Misses out on important edge cases, doesn't get off its ass to do more than the bare minimum I asked (I mention an error and it fixes that error and doesn't even think to see if it exists elsewhere and propose fixing it there).

              I've slowly been moving to GPT5.4-xhigh with some skills to make it act a bit more like Opus 4.6, in case the latter gets discontinued in favour of Opus 4.7.

            • cbg0 1 hour ago
              Doesn't look like it's cheaper, better or uses fewer tokens: https://www.reddit.com/r/Anthropic/comments/1stf6fz/one_week...

              YMMV, I know.

          • jstummbillig 53 minutes ago
            We'll find out!
    • not_math 1 hour ago
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  • Rapzid 21 minutes ago
    In Copilot where it's easy to switch models Opus 4.6 was still providing, IMHO, better stock results than GPT-5.4.

    Particularly in areas outside straight coding tasks. So analysis, planning, etc. Better and more thorough output. Better use of formatting options(tables, diagrams, etc).

    I'm hoping to see improvements in this area with 5.5.

  • sosodev 1 hour ago
    I hope the industry starts competing more on highest scores with lowest tokens like this. It's a win for everybody. It means the model is more intelligent, is more efficient to inference, and costs less for the end user.

    So much bench-maxxing is just giving the model a ton of tokens so it can inefficiently explore the solution space.

    • an0malous 1 hour ago
      The premise of the trillion dollars in AI investments is not that it’ll be as good as it currently is but cheaper. It’s AGI or bust at this point.
      • sosodev 1 hour ago
        Yeah, but don’t you agree that less tokens to accomplish the same goal is a sign of increasing intelligence?
        • energy123 46 minutes ago
          Less cost to accomplish the same goal is a sign of intelligence. That's not necessarily achieved with less tokens but it may be.
        • mchusma 1 hour ago
          Kind of? But I really care about price speed and quality. If it used 10x tokens at 1/10th the tokens and same latency I would be neutral on it.

          Kimmi 2.6 for example seems to throw more tokens to improve performance (for better or worse)

  • meetpateltech 2 hours ago
  • ZeroCool2u 2 hours ago
    Benchmarks are favorable enough they're comparing to non-OpenAI models again. Interesting that tokens/second is similar to 5.4. Maybe there's some genuine innovation beyond bigger model better this time?
    • qsort 2 hours ago
      It's behind Opus 4.7 in SWE-Bench Pro, if you care about that kind of thing. It seems on-trend, even though benchmarks are less and less meaningful for the stuff we expect from models now.

      Will be interesting to try.

  • cscheid 29 minutes ago
    I know this is irrelevant on the grand scheme of things, but that WebGL animation is really quite wrong. That is extra funny given the "ensure it has realistic orbital mechanics." phrase in the prompt.

    I prescribe 20 hours of KSP to everyone involved, that'll set them right.

  • louiereederson 1 hour ago
    For a 56.7 score on the Artificial Intelligence Index, GPT 5.5 used 22m output tokens. For a score of 57, Opus 4.7 used 111m output tokens.

    The efficiency gap is enormous. Maybe it's the difference between GB200 NVL72 and an Amazon Tranium chip?

    • swyx 1 hour ago
      why would chip affect token quantity. this is all models.
      • louiereederson 1 hour ago
        Chip costs strongly impact the economics of model serving.

        It is entirely plausible to me that Opus 4.7 is designed to consume more tokens in order to artificially reduce the API cost/token, thereby obscuring the true operating cost of the model.

        I agree though, I chose poor phrasing originally. Better to say that GB200 vs Tranium could contribute to the efficiency differential.

    • karmasimida 1 hour ago
      Chips doesn’t impact output quality in this magnitude
      • ChrisGreenHeur 1 hour ago
        True, but the qualifying the power played a large part. Most likely nuclear power for this high quality token efficiency.
  • jdw64 2 hours ago
    GPT is really great, but I wish the GPT desktop app supported MCP as well.

    You can kind of use connectors like MCP, but having to use ngrok every time just to expose a local filesystem for file editing is more cumbersome than expected.

  • vessenes 1 hour ago
    Yay. 5.4 was a frustrating model - moments of extreme intelligence (I liked it very much for code review) - but also a sort of idiocy/literalism that made it very unsuited for prompting in a vague sense. I also found its openclaw engagement wooden and frustrating. Which didn’t matter until anthropic started charging $150 a day for opus for openclaw.

    Anyway - these benchmarks look really good; I’m hopeful on the qualitative stuff.

  • thimabi 1 hour ago
    Will we also see a GPT-5.5-Codex version of this model? Or will the same version of it be served both in the web app and in Codex?
    • Uehreka 1 hour ago
      After 5.1, we haven’t seen a -codex-max model, presumably because the benefits of the special training gpt-5.1-codex-max got to improve long context work filtered into gpt-5.2-codex, making the variant no longer necessary (my personal experience accords with this). I’ve been using gpt-5.4 in Codex since it came out, it’s been great. I’ve never back-to-back tested a version against its -codex variant to figure out what the qualitative difference is (this would take a long time to get a really solid answer), but I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point the general-purpose model no longer needs whatever extra training the -codex model gets and they just stop releasing them.

      I thought it was weird that for almost the entire 5.3 generation we only had a -codex model, I presume in that case they were seeing the massive AI coding wave this winter and were laser focused on just that for a couple months. Maybe someday someone will actually explain all of this.

  • jumploops 1 hour ago
    > GPT‑5.5 improves on GPT‑5.4’s scores while using fewer tokens.

    This might be great if it translates to agentic engineering and not just benchmarks.

    It seems some of the gains from Opus 4.6 to 4.7 required more tokens, not less.

    Maybe more interesting is that they’ve used codex to improve model inference latency. iirc this is a new (expectedly larger) pretrain, so it’s presumably slower to serve.

    • beering 1 hour ago
      With Opus it’s hard to tell what was due to the tokenizer changes. Maybe using more tokens for the same prompt means the model effectively thinks more?
    • conradkay 1 hour ago
      They say latency is the same as 5.4 and 5.5 is served on GB200 NVL72, so I assume 5.4 was served on hopper.
  • AbuAssar 27 minutes ago
    This is the first time openAi include competing models in their benchmarks, always included only openAi models.
  • benjx88 55 minutes ago
    Good job on the release notice. I appreciate that it isn't just marketing fluff, but actually includes the technical specs for those of us who care and not concentrated in coding agents only.

    I hope GPT 5.5 Pro is not cutting corners and neuter from the start, you got the compute for it not to be.

  • GenerWork 55 minutes ago
    Looking at the space/game/earthquake tracker examples makes me hopeful that OpenAI is going to focus a bit more on interface visual development/integration from tools like Figma. This is one area where Anthropic definitely reigns supreme.
  • nickandbro 1 hour ago
    Very impressive! Interesting how all other benchmarks it seems to surpass Opus 4.7 except SWE-Bench Pro (Public). You would think that doing so well at Cyber, it would naturally possess more abilities there. Wonder what makes up the actual difference there
  • cchrist 23 minutes ago
    Which is better GPT-5.5 or Opus 4.7? And for what tasks?
  • extr 1 hour ago
    Seems like a continuation of the current meta where GPT models are better in GPT-like ways and Claude models are better in Claude-like ways, with the differences between each slightly narrowing with each generation. 5.5 is noticeably better to talk to, 4.7 is noticeably more precise. Etc etc.
  • jawiggins 15 minutes ago
    What is the major and minor semver meaning for these models? Is each minor release a new fine-tuning with a new subset of example data while the major releases are made from scratch? Or do they even mean anything at this point?
  • impulser_ 1 hour ago
    What is the reason behind OpenAI being able to release new models very fast?

    Since Feb when we got Gemini 3.1, Opus 4.6, and GPT-5.3-Codex we have seen GPT-5.4 and GPT-5.5 but only Opus 4.7 and no new Gemini model.

    Both of these are pretty decent improvements.

    • minimaxir 1 hour ago
      Competition.
      • pixel_popping 1 hour ago
        This is frankly exciting, outside of the politics of it all, it always feel great to wake up and a new model being released, I personally will stay awake quite long tonight if GPT-5.5 drop in codex.
    • literalAardvark 1 hour ago
      Anthropic is really tiny, and Google is just being Google, their models are just to show that they're hip with what the kids are doing.
    • wmf 1 hour ago
      I wonder if it's the same model and they just keep adding more post-training.
      • Squarex 1 hour ago
        The rumor was that the 5.5 is a brand new pretrain. But who knows, it's 2x as expensive as 5.4, so it would check out.
    • tantalor 1 hour ago
      They aren't new models.
  • nullbyte 2 hours ago
    82.7% on Terminal Bench is crazy
  • I_am_tiberius 1 hour ago
    I'd really like to see improvements like these: - Some technical proof that data is never read by open ai. - Proof that no logs of my data or derived data is saved. etc...
  • YmiYugy 1 hour ago
    So according to the benchmarks somewhere in between Opus 4.7 and Mythos
    • jorl17 1 hour ago
      GPT 5.4 is already better than Opus 4.7 to me. But, then again, Opus 4.7 is a massive disappointment. I hope they don't discontinue 4.6.
      • robwwilliams 57 minutes ago
        Depends in goals. For long free-firm discussions I find Opus 4.7 Adaptive better/deeper than Opus 4.6 Extended. But usual caveats apply: first week of use and token budget seems generous now on Max 5X.
        • coffeemug 9 minutes ago
          I had the opposite experience. Opus 4.6 extended feels like the first genuinely intelligent model to converse with, Opus 4.7 adaptive feels like slightly smarter LinkedIn slop.
      • steinvakt2 1 hour ago
        I’ve had great experience using opus 4.7 in cursor. Works for everything including iOS frontend
        • jorl17 1 hour ago
          Cursor is what I daily-drive. 4.7 has been terrible for my mostly python-driven work (whereas Opus 4.6 was literally revolutionary to me). Our frontend folks are also complaining.

          I left a comment here with this sentiment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47879896

      • benjiro3000 1 hour ago
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  • egorfine 26 minutes ago
    > We are releasing GPT‑5.5 with our strongest set of safeguards to date

    ...

    > we’re deploying stricter classifiers for potential cyber risk which some users may find annoying initially

    So we should be expecting to not be able to check our own code for vulnerabilities, because inherently the model cannot know whether I'm feeding my code or someone else's.

  • bradley13 27 minutes ago
    "our strongest set of safeguards to date"

    How much capability is lost, by hobbling models with a zillion protections against idiots?

    Every prompt gets evaluated, to ensure you are not a hacker, you are not suicidal, you are not a racist, you are not...

    Maybe just...leave that all off? I know, I know, individual responsibility no longer exists, but I can dream.

  • faxmeyourcode 1 hour ago
    How does it compare to mythos?
  • elAhmo 33 minutes ago
    Is Codex receiving 5.4 or 5.5 release?

    I am still using Codex 5.3 and haven't switched to GPT 5.4 as I don't like the 'its automatic bro trust us', so wondering is Codex going to get these specific releases at all in the future.

  • k2xl 1 hour ago
    Surprised to see SWE-Bench Pro only a slight improvement (57.7% -> 58.6%) while Opus 4.7 hit 64.3%. I wonder what Anthropic is doing to achieve higher scores on this - and also what makes this test particular hard to do well in compared to Terminal Bench (which 5.5 seemed to have a big jump in)
    • vexna 1 hour ago
      There's an asterisk right below that table stating that:

      > *Anthropic reported signs of memorization on a subset of problems

      And from the Anthropic's Opus 4.7 release page, it also states:

      > SWE-bench Verified, Pro, and Multilingual: Our memorization screens flag a subset of problems in these SWE-bench evals. Excluding any problems that show signs of memorization, Opus 4.7’s margin of improvement over Opus 4.6 holds.

    • conradkay 1 hour ago
      Was 4.7 distilled off Mythos (which got 77.8%)? Interesting how mythos got 82% on terminal-bench 2.0 compared to 82.7% for GPT-5.5.

      Also notice how they state just for SWE-Bench Pro: "*Anthropic reported signs of memorization on a subset of problems"

  • tantalor 1 hour ago
    > A playable 3D dungeon arena

    Where's the demo link?

  • throwaway2027 1 hour ago
    Good timing I had just renewed my subscription.
  • ionwake 1 hour ago
    is there anywhere I can try it? ( I just stopped my pro sub ) but was wondering if there is a playground or 3rd party so i can just test it briefly?
  • senko 52 minutes ago
    I might just be following too many AI-related people on X, but omg the media blitz around 5.5 is aggressive.

    Soo many unconvincing "I've had access for three weeks and omg it's amazing" takes, it actually primes me for it to be a "meh".

    I prefer to see for myself, but the gradual rollout, combined with full-on marketing campaign, is annoying.

  • XCSme 36 minutes ago
    2x the price for 1-5% performance gain
  • debba 1 hour ago
    Cannot see it in Codex CLI
  • phillipcarter 1 hour ago
    ... sigh. I realize there's little that can be done about this, but I just got through a real-world session determining of Opus 4.7 is meaningfully better than Opus 4.6 or GPT 5.4, and now there's another one to try things with. These benchmark results generally mean little to me in practice.

    Anyways, still exciting to see more improvements.

  • varispeed 54 minutes ago
    I am sceptical. The generation after 4o models have become crappier and crappier. Hope this one changes the trend. 5.4 is unusable for complex coding work.
  • woeirua 1 hour ago
    Nice to see them openly compare to Opus-4.7… but they don’t compare it against Mythos which says everything you need to know.

    The LinkedIn/X influencers who hyped this as a Mythos-class model should be ashamed of themselves, but they’ll be too busy posting slop content about how “GPT-5.5 changes everything”.

  • objektif 2 hours ago
    Are there faster mini/nano versions as well?
    • tedsanders 1 hour ago
      Not this time, no.
    • abi 1 hour ago
      Usually, those get released a few weeks later.
  • numbers 1 hour ago
    I've stopped trusting these "trust me bro" benchmarks and just started going to LM Arena and looking for the actual benchmark comparisons.

    https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code

    • stri8ted 1 hour ago
      I doubt this is representative of real world usage. There is a difference between a few turns on a web chatbot, vs many-turn cli usage on a real project.
    • nba456_ 1 hour ago
      This is not any better of a benchmark
  • mondojesus 1 hour ago
    I'm still using 5.3 in codex. Are 5.4 and 5.5 better than 5.3 in concrete ways?
    • cbg0 1 hour ago
      The benchmarks say so, but try it out with actual tasks and be the judge.
  • enraged_camel 1 hour ago
    Is this the first time OpenAI compared their new release to Anthropic models? Previously they were comparing only to GPT's own previous versions.
  • yuvrajmalgat 52 minutes ago
    finally
  • k2xl 1 hour ago
    ARC-AGI 3 is missing on this list - given that the SOTA before 5.5 <1% if I recall, I wonder if this didn't make meaningful progress.
    • redox99 1 hour ago
      It's a silly benchmark anyways.
  • cynicalpeace 2 hours ago
    It's possible that "smarter" AI won't lead to more productivity in the economy. Why?

    Because software and "information technology" generally didn't increase productivity over the past 30 years.

    This has been long known as Solow's productivity paradox. There's lots of theories as to why this is observed, one of them being "mismeasurement" of productivity data.

    But my favorite theory is that information technology is mostly entertainment, and rather than making you more productive, it distracts you and makes you more lazy.

    AI's main application has been information space so far. If that continues, I doubt you will get more productivity from it.

    If you give AI a body... well, maybe that changes.

    • aerhardt 1 hour ago
      > "information technology" generally didn't increase productivity

      Do you think it'd be viable to run most businesses on pen and paper? I'll give you email and being able to consume informational websites - rest is pen and paper.

      • cynicalpeace 1 hour ago
        Productivity metrics were better when businesses were run on just pen and paper. Of course, there could be many confounding factors, but there are also many reasons why this could be so. Just a few hypotheses:

        - Pen and paper become a limiting factor on bureaucratic BS

        - Pen and paper are less distracting

        - Pen and paper require more creative output from the user, as opposed to screens which are mostly consumptive

        etc etc

        • theLiminator 17 minutes ago
          > Productivity metrics were better when businesses were run on just pen and paper

          What metrics are these?

    • ewrs 1 hour ago
      Its quite possible the use of LLMs means that we are using less effort to produce the same output. This seems good.

      But the less effort exertion also conditions you to be weaker, and less able to connect deeply with the brain to grind as hard as once did. This is bad.

      Which effect dominates? Difficult to say.

      Of course this is absolutely possible. Ultimately there was a time where physical exertion was a thing and nobody was over-weight. That isn't the case anymore is it.

    • aiaiai177 1 hour ago
      Downvoted by the AI Nazis. They are running a tight ship before the IPOs.
      • cbg0 1 hour ago
        I downvoted it because it doesn't add anything useful to the conversation, and I don't own any AI stock.
        • cynicalpeace 1 hour ago
          It's a hypothesis that "smarter" AI models, ie GPT-5.5, may not be a great boon to productivity. Given that this is the raison d'etre of AI models, and improving them, I don't see why it is any less useful than any other discussion.
  • cmrdporcupine 2 hours ago
    Not rolled out to my Codex CLI yet, but some users on Reddit claiming it's on theirs.
  • throwaw12 1 hour ago
    If anyone tried it already, how do you feel?

    Numbers look too good, wondering if it is benchmaxxed or not

  • xnx 1 hour ago
    Next up: Google I/O on May 19?

    I have to imagine they'll go to Gemini 3.5 if only for marketing reasons.

  • luqtas 2 hours ago
    they are using ethical training weights this time!!! /j
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  • MagicMoonlight 1 hour ago
    Two hundred pages of shilling and it’s a 1% improvement in the benchmarks. They’re dead in the water.

    Imagine spending 100m on some of these AI “geniuses” and this is the best they can do.

  • justonepost2 1 hour ago
    the attenuation of man nears

    < 5 years until humans are buffered out of existence tbh

    may the light of potentia spread forth beyond us

  • coderssh 1 hour ago
    Great modal, I have been using codex and its awesome. Lets see what GPT-5.5 does to it
  • vardump 1 hour ago
    I just can't bear to use services from this company after what they did to the global DRAM markets.

    I'm not trying to make any kind of moral statement, but the company just feels toxic to me.