8 comments

  • greg_dc 16 minutes ago
    In fairness, is this any worse than what Palantir will do with the whole countries NHS records? And they're being paid by the government to do it!
    • jjice 5 minutes ago
      Both are bad
  • azan_ 49 minutes ago
    "Access this article for 1 day for: £50 / $60/ €56 (excludes VAT)" Man, the scientific publishing cartel is something else. Note that author will generally get exactly £0 / $0 / €0 for his text.
    • IChooseY0u 44 minutes ago
      I can't imagine paying for news.
      • speedgoose 23 minutes ago
        I pay for some good quality news and the quality and the lack of native advertising is worth it.
        • sigmoid10 10 minutes ago
          Unfortunately that is almost never enough. If your competition is populist media financed by state-level/billionaire agendas, it is impossible to compete in the long term. We would need a complete and general ban on political financing across all media to sustain such a market.
      • tgv 9 minutes ago
        I guess you can't imagine a free, open democratic state with rule of law either. Because when broad, independent, quality journalism with a wide audience is gone, all you'll have to worry about is that poor cat in a tree in Ottawa.
      • alt227 30 minutes ago
        Then how should the journalists that write about it get paid? I for one would rather pay for news than have to watch ad content for it instead.
        • clickety_clack 22 minutes ago
          It’s not so much about having to watch ads, it’s the incentive alignment towards what’s good for advertisers over what’s good for readers.
      • mentalgear 17 minutes ago
        I paid for TheGuardian because if we don't support truly independent, objective, investigative journalism, who will?

        Certainly not Billionaires buying newspapers (e.g. Washington Post/Bezos, ...).

  • londons_explore 56 minutes ago
    There isn't much difference between giving this data to 20,000 researchers all over the world and simply publishing the data on the web.

    I personally would like data like this to simply be published, together with a law that says using the data to make personalized decisions affecting those individuals is punishable with life in prison.

    Basically, this data is 'opensource', but not for use to decide insurance premiums, job offers, or the contents of news articles.

    • spacebanana7 26 minutes ago
      > together with a law that says using the data to make personalized decisions affecting those individuals is punishable with life in prison.

      This works well in theory but is basically unenforceable. It's barely possible, if possible at all, to audit how FB or google make ad targeting decisions - but once stuff gets into the fragmented ecosystem of data brokers and market intelligence consultancies all hope is lost.

      To say nothing of state actors, like countries who might deny you a visa based on adverse medical info or otherwise use your information against you.

    • Pay08 48 minutes ago
      I can't wait for this to be used for assassination by peanut.
    • basisword 39 minutes ago
      Which would be fine if that's what the people who gave their data over agreed to.
    • keybored 43 minutes ago
      “We didn’t make a decision based on that.” Done and dusted?
  • WalterGR 1 hour ago
    Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47875843 “UK Biobank health data keeps ending up on GitHub”
    • blitzar 11 minutes ago
      Extremely related - my red string on the wall points to this being the source of the data leak rather the latest heist by Oceans Crew.

      Given the whack-a-mole takedowns, its pretty clear everyone involved knew what was going on.

    • mfgadv99 1 hour ago
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  • mentalgear 14 minutes ago
    > Data for sale included people’s gender, age, month and year of birth, socioeconomic status, lifestyle habits, mental health, self-reported medical history, cognitive function, and physical measures.

    If this is not traceable back to individuals, it would probably good to be made public. But I assume the UK Biobank only gives access to trusted partners since - as we know in our 'data analytics' day and age - with enough general data quantity you can trace back anything to anyone if you have the resources. And the capitalist-surveillance econonmy certainly provides the profit-motive.

  • fragmede 1 hour ago
    I want to get my DNA digitized so I can do all sorts of health stuff for myself, but finding a place that won't leak my data is troublesome. 23andme is right out.
    • grey-area 53 minutes ago
      • fenaer 42 minutes ago
        I have the same sentiment as OP, but for me the main benefit of a company doing it is the analysis that comes with it.
      • ogundipeore 42 minutes ago
        Great suggestion. Thank you for sharing!
    • GistNoesis 43 minutes ago
      Similar to https://xcancel.com/SethSHowes ~10k budget based on minION sequencer. (Edit : his dedicated project page https://iwantosequencemygenomeathome.com/ )

      But once your data has been digitized even if it is under your control the likelihood that it gets leaked is still high. Specially now with AI agents running everywhere, or people just asking AI services for medical advice.

      Today the choice for advice is between low quality local AI advice or higher quality advice but lose your data control, the rational choice is probably losing your data control even if if will almost certainly comes back to bite you.

    • conception 44 minutes ago
      • sheiyei 21 minutes ago
        I can believe the company does their best to keep the records private.

        ...until they're inevitably sold.

  • scotty79 32 minutes ago
    That kind of data should be public anyways.
    • alt227 29 minutes ago
      Yeah, as long as all 500,000 people in the data set agreed for it to be public then thats fine. But how do we verify that?
  • Aboutplants 53 minutes ago
    Gonna wager the US government is the first to purchase
    • cbg0 18 minutes ago
      The US has over 70 million on Medicare, why would they care about 500K brits?
    • gib444 50 minutes ago
      I thought we pay them to have it via Palantir contracts or something?
      • blitzar 9 minutes ago
        I think it is google that we pay to backdoor the data