Statue of a man blinded by a flag put up by Banksy in central London

(smithsonianmag.com)

111 points | by dryadin 2 hours ago

17 comments

  • periodjet 25 minutes ago
    Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.
    • have_faith 9 minutes ago
      Are you from the UK and know what the piece is a reference to? It’s topical and unpretentious and comes at a time where the country is splintering. Feels a like a bit of a distant midwit take to take shots at the appeal it has.
    • TehCorwiz 9 minutes ago
      "Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world.
      • hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 2 minutes ago
        Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism?

        It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art is like this.

    • ryandrake 5 minutes ago
      Heaven forbid someone tries to communicate a point with art.
    • TacticalCoder 0 minutes ago
      He's also king of the "I'll criticize the west but I'll turn a blind-eye to non-democratic countries' wrongdoings". A trait shared with virtually all intellectuals and artists in the west.

      There are fights worth fighting: for example there are 300 million women alive who have undergone forced genital mutilation. 300 million ain't cheap change. There are also hundreds of millions of people who applauded the killing of 1200 young civilians who were enjoying life at a music festival "because it's resistance".

      Applauding the killing of young unarmed civilians, genitally mutilating women and turning a blind-eye to a regime slaughtering 30 000+ of its own unarmed civilians is where I personally draw the line and consider there are maybe more important to complain about than, say, "the patriarchal western society built by heterosexual white men" or some other woke non-sense like that.

      Now to be honest Banksy did art criticizing war overall, not just war started by the west. So a generous reading could consider that he also criticizes things like the 800 000 deaths during the Hutu vs Tutsi war.

      But still overall: lots of balls from western artists when it's about criticizing the west, but tiny tiny nuts when it's about, say, attacking the ideology that is responsible for 300 people enjoying music at the Bataclan and then getting slaughtered.

      But these people can live with their own conscience: I speak up and I've got mine.

    • infinitewars 7 minutes ago
      I think it deserves credit for being both simple and original.
    • rvba 13 minutes ago
      Really riles up PE types and "patriots" though.
    • vkou 11 minutes ago
      This criticism would carry more weight if the people this statue criticises had the intellectual and emotional maturity beyond that of a teenager.

      Unfortunately, they often don't meet that bar, so the message has to be in a form they can understand.

      • 9dev 4 minutes ago
        "They'd be pretty angry if they could read"
      • krapp 2 minutes ago
        You're being downvoted but honestly the "everyone is twelve now" meme explains our collective societal dysfunction perfectly.

        There's no point to complexity or subtlety in art anymore, everyone is twelve now.

    • odyssey7 6 minutes ago
      Maybe, but in 100 years, people looking back on the current era will easily understand the work. It symbolically communicates something about the spirit of the age.
  • forgotusername6 46 minutes ago
    I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.
    • tene80i 32 minutes ago
      Not sure we think of Banksy as being particularly subtle. Innovative and impactful, sure - but the message is usually quite clear, no?
    • tialaramex 30 minutes ago
      I don't think most of his work is trying for subtle? First thing that came to mind: "Slave Labour" is pretty obvious, it's a kid operating a sewing machine to make Union flags and it was painted an actual pound shop. Were you unsure of the message? Even something like "Silent Majority" isn't difficult, the comic book "V for Vendetta" makes the exact same point just Banksy painted it as a mural.
    • tbrownaw 37 minutes ago
      > there is no doubt on the meaning at all

      Which flag? Or, what kind of flag? Or does it matter?

      • wartywhoa23 23 minutes ago
        It is universal. The flag, the state, the man. Details don't matter.
    • wand3r 39 minutes ago
      Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy. Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.
    • thinkingemote 38 minutes ago
      it gets people talking which many of those who like it consider to be the primary point. In other words, it's not great public art, it's basically government approved engagement bait or engineered pro-establishment viral messaging and it's very successful at that! (but it doesn't inspire and elevate that art should aspire to)
      • nickthegreek 29 minutes ago
        > engineered pro-establishment viral messaging

        I don’t understand this. What speaks pro-establishment in this piece?

        • teekert 19 minutes ago
          If one can read this as pro-establishment, it's proof that the the art is indeed not so obvious as suggested above :)
    • Jtarii 31 minutes ago
      I think a good old fashined "we are all fucked" is warranted now and again.

      It's also referencing the recent flag controversies in the UK over the past year.

    • twoodfin 10 minutes ago
      I have the same reaction to Banksy, and figure he and his audience just have to be in on the joke? I can’t discount there’s some layered irony going on in conversation between the artist and the intellectual / capitalist / trend-setting elite that are his effective patrons.

      “I remember when all this was trees” [1] is maybe the best example. Detroit hasn’t been “trees” in something like two centuries. Platitudes doused in treacle.

      [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/01/ba...

    • zeroonetwothree 42 minutes ago
      Yes doesn’t feel very innovative
      • vscode-rest 30 minutes ago
        Do know know of any “prior art”, so to speak?
    • mindslight 39 minutes ago
      Well the problems its referencing are glaringly obvious as well, and yet so many people still refuse to acknowledge them.
    • dahdum 14 minutes ago
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    • rorylawless 29 minutes ago
      Statues are probably the least sophisticated type of art being as they are a literal representation of the subject. I believe this is part of the message Banksy intends to convey with this statue.
  • ggm 50 minutes ago
    The point is not just that he's blinded by the flag: He's boldly marching into the void, confident. "wrapped in the flag" is a great saying.
    • ua709 30 minutes ago
      Worse than a void because a void is not necessarily bad. Walking “off a cliff” rarely ends well.
  • schoen 44 minutes ago
    I misparsed this headline as

    (Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag (put up by Banksy)))) in central London

    It is intended to be

    ((Statue (of a man (blinded by a flag))) (put up by Banksy)) in central London

    • tolerance 28 minutes ago
      The actual headline is more coherent but I'm not too fond of it either.

      You really don't see any good ol' fashioned short and sweet headlines that read best to the ear in a Mid-Atlantic accent anymore.

      • vscode-rest 22 minutes ago
        Banksy erects central London statue of man blinded by flag, maybe?
  • wartywhoa23 16 minutes ago
    Banksy's "anonymity" is a total farce at this point, thoroughly supported by those in power.
    • Lerc 0 minutes ago
      I'm not sure what you mean by "Those in power" there are lot's of people who know, but recognise that he has chosen anonymity and seems no value in putting a nanw to the person.

      It's not so much a secret as it is simply not public.

  • nickthegreek 27 minutes ago
    The piece states that it appears to be molded fiberglass. But is anyone aware of any more in depth analysis of its materials/possible production technique? Was the pillar barren on top before?
    • ZeroGravitas 3 minutes ago
      The pillar is fiberglass too, I believe.

      There's a (mostly terrible) documentary about a previous bansky "statue" deposited in London that, in one of its better moments, tracks down the people who actually make statues for artists like banksy.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Banksy_Job

  • xyzelement 1 minute ago
    It took me a minute to figure out why I think it's lame.

    I suspect that Banksy and his fans are sure that it's "the other" Britons that are blinded, it's not a self-reflection prompt for them. Maybe I am wrong.

    Maybe a more powerful piece of art would have that self reflection effect across the board. As is it feels about as nuanced as "fuck trump" and similar. If you already agree you already agree, if not then you just think it's stupid. So ultimately feels like impotent art unless I am totally misunderstanding.

  • tommica 39 minutes ago
    Yeah, definetly had the city agree to it, no way in hell to sneak a statue like that without the cops getting involved.
    • vscode-rest 12 minutes ago
      The trick is not to sneak it. Hi Viz and some yellow flashing lights. Couple smooth talkers.
    • gib444 30 minutes ago
      Agreed. Also why it's totally inoffensive

      (Though it's not in /the/ City of London. That wouldn't happen in a million years! City of Westminster is way more culturally flexible)

  • seydor 40 minutes ago
    Anyone else leaving up a huge statue in the middle of the park would be arrested
  • nickdothutton 14 minutes ago
    Remember kids. Don't believe in anything. Don't join anything. Don't give even a small part of yourself up to anything. Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself.
    • wartywhoa23 7 minutes ago
      Don't be part of anything bigger than yourself that treats you as expendable human oil.
    • bdangubic 13 minutes ago
      much more sound advice than you think…
  • slopinthebag 8 minutes ago
    Wind bad.
  • dickens5 26 minutes ago
    Trite and uninspiring. Banksy trying to stay relevant and failing.
  • MrBuddyCasino 33 minutes ago
    Really makes you think. I guess Palestine and Ukraine should just give up.
    • dickens5 23 minutes ago
      Palestine should give up on the terrorist attacks, certainly. No-one but the worst of the worst Islamists want to see another October 7th.
  • AlexandrB 38 minutes ago
    Which flag?
  • metalman 50 minutes ago
    Statue of a man in a suit walking off a precipice while blinding himself with the flag he is carrying.

    https://banksy.co.uk/index.html

  • jansan 30 minutes ago
    Who decides that this is from Banksy? I could make a stencil graffiti in my village and claim it's from Banksy and noone could prove me wrong. Or is he using a digital signature as proof of authorship?
  • Gongo_Emperor 40 minutes ago
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