Cisco Workforce Reductions

(blogs.cisco.com)

79 points | by ahmedomran8 2 hours ago

22 comments

  • passive 0 minutes ago
    My extremely cynical, but not yet proven wrong view:

    Tech, more or less, has a group of investors centered around Silicon Valley. Not the only ones, but especially now, the most active. Generally, these folk have a lot of exposure to AI, and probably mostly believe the hype around it.

    Which means they believe companies using AI should produce better results, which in the current market means short-term cash. So if a company doesn't do layoffs, no matter how well it is doing, it is seen as irresponsible and investment is withheld from it.

    GitLab's announcement felt illustrative of this dynamic: - The actual reductions were focused on simplifying org structure, nothing to do with AI - They identified MORE work that was on their roadmap because of the way AI is changing software engineering - They made sure to include a special section for investors

    Seems to me they should have made the org changes in an unrelated announcement, and celebrated the opportunity for new work and the possible hiring that might be required to accomplish it all.

    Like, GitLab is in an incredible position to moonshot the next generation of software. AI needs new substrate to work most effectively, and GitLab is the most popular "alternative" substrate to the fragile dinosaur that Github has become.

    But AI needs to be seen as cutting costs above all else, so they can sell more of it everywhere, and this is what we get.

  • 0x0000000 1 hour ago
    This kind of behavior is never tolerated in the market. Your revenue is flat; they lay you off. Right away. No trial, no nothing. Your revenue is down, right to layoffs, right away. Revenue grows but less than guidance? Layoffs. Record revenue exceeding guidance? Believe it or not, layoffs.
    • TSP00N3 18 minutes ago
      lol! For those that didn’t get the Parks and Rec reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eiyfwZVAzGw
      • mgh2 9 minutes ago
        Gel
    • ivraatiems 32 minutes ago
      We have the best market in the world, because of ~~AI bubble~~ layoffs.
    • alephnerd 29 minutes ago
      > This kind of behavior is never tolerated in the market

      This is Cisco. They do layoffs every quarter and have been doing so since the early 2000s.

  • protocolture 1 hour ago
    > Today we announced our Q3 FY26 earnings with record revenue of $15.8 billion, up 12 percent year over year, and double-digit top and bottom-line growth. The ELT and I could not be prouder of the growth you have all delivered for Cisco.

    Interesting decision considering they aren't at any sort of risk.

  • declan_roberts 9 minutes ago
    This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs.
    • csomar 0 minutes ago
      I think H1Bs are pretty much dead with the 100k fee.
  • maxdo 5 minutes ago
    Cisco do not have real ai strategy . Routers are routers. Even their ai factory is yet another box just with label nvidia on it . No major investment needed.

    All that observability tooling around is only benefiting ai wave . They can vibe re-write everything .

  • holysoles 1 hour ago
    Almost bought cisco shares today, glad I didn't.

    A workplace that values job security is such a motivating factor for employees that I don't think is recognized enough. At a company that conducts layoffs, it feels like you're just waiting for the next one.

  • HDBaseT 16 minutes ago
    "I could not be prouder of the growth you delivered"

    Note the "you delivered"...

    ---

    A few lines later

    "With this, we are making changes today that will result in the reduction of our overall workforce in Q4 by fewer than 4,000 jobs"

    Rough, bit on the nose no?

  • jjtheblunt 23 minutes ago
    "Executive Leadership Team" is such an interesting phrase. Never in several years inside Apple spanning Steve Jobs and Tim Cook heard any such condescending nonsense.

    I believe it's because they truly didn't think that way.

    • dcrazy 2 minutes ago
      Tim Cook has referred to the “E-Team” in many earnings calls. It consists of the SVPs who are above the horizontal line on https://www.apple.com/leadership/
    • geekone 17 minutes ago
      XCOM (Executive Committee) was my least favorite at one of the soulless corps i worked at years ago.
  • absolutewinner 22 minutes ago
    The other thing is that the laid off employees will lose all their unvested RSUs. These shares were granted as compensation for past performance but they can now be conveniently clawed back by the company just because they decide to lay you off. Stock can be a large part of someone's compensation in a tech company. Companies shouldn't be allowed to benefit this way if they decide to lay off employees.
  • banach 13 minutes ago
    This is why corporations need to be owned and operated by the employees.
  • semiquaver 8 minutes ago
    OMG, press the “read aloud” button. Brings me right back to to computer class in 1995!
  • ralph84 38 minutes ago
    > We will provide support in finding new opportunities, whether internal or external, through Cisco’s placement services – a program that has seen 75 percent of participants discover their next role.

    25% unemployment doesn't seem like something to brag about.

    • alexandre_m 32 minutes ago
      Maybe they found something outside the program, but your cynical take is way more entertaining.
  • ciscociscocisco 1 hour ago
    > We have important, impactful, and consequential work ahead

    writing so bad claude could do better

  • dalmo3 33 minutes ago
    > reduction of our overall workforce in Q4 by fewer than 4,000 jobs

    Interesting use of fewer.

    • udave 6 minutes ago
      seems like the same trick as behind labelling price as $99.9
  • 0xbadcafebee 1 hour ago
    The casualness of mentioning record revenues in the same PR statement as laying off 4,000 people is fucked up on a new level. It used to be you were supposed to at least pretend you were forced into a layoff. But now it's like "Hey guys! It's time for our regularly scheduled layoff to juice profits! I got an extra $5M bonus for this!"
  • markus_zhang 33 minutes ago
    OK looks like the horn has been blown. Now they are all doing layoffs. Wall Street waving its visible hand again?
  • totetsu 57 minutes ago
    >To those leaving Cisco, thank you for your contribution, your dedication, and the mark you have made on this company. We are deeply grateful and are committed to handling this transition with the care, clarity, and respect that defines our culture.

    Who the hell needs gratitude if you can't earn an income.. seeing all of these layoffs I cant help but think something along the lines of .. Those of use who greatest asset is our labor need to recognize the great risk it is at of going to 0 value in the near future, and renegotiate everything to get as much value out of that asset before it does. Like enough to retire on. And as with established theories of intelectual property rights protect creators moral rights to the profits of their work, there needs to be mandated moral rights that stop peoples labor being used as training data for AI without the consent, and without a path or compensation for the loss of income that will cause them.. Otherwise this is just one big transfer of power from most people, to people with capital, who can then wield that power in more capricious and selfish ways.

    • kjellsbells 40 minutes ago
      lately I've been stuck by the similarities between the conversations workers are having now (we are toiling to increase someone else's capital, and need to reverse the imbalance of power) and the conversations people had in the 1920s and 30s.

      With the benefit of hindsight we know that marxism didnt help, but I can see why the siren song was so attractive back then. Time to reread Eric Hobsbawm.

      • leopld 17 minutes ago
        Look at social democratic European states for inspiration. High unionization (supported by the state), unemployment benefits, cheap or free higher education.

        Companies can still do layoffs, but that’s how you manage the consequences at a societal level.

        I know the unionization part is contested these days in Europe, too - but it is still much stronger than in the US.

      • ivraatiems 30 minutes ago
        And to think, if they could just take less, and be satisfied being billionaires, not tens of billionaires, this could all be avoided... people don't ask for much. Give them a little, you'll be fine.

        But that won't please The Market.

      • UltraSane 38 minutes ago
        Starting around 1970 the rich started working very hard to expressly undo the power labor gained during the New Deal.
  • alasano 37 minutes ago
    Coinbase, CloudFlare, Cisco.

    Another round of layoffs at CrowdStrike would fit the pattern nicely.

    • maxdo 4 minutes ago
      Meta , ms ( soft ) , Google .
  • bitmasher9 1 hour ago
    “We are running out of good ideas to execute on, so we are reducing our workforce to a quantity we can utilize.”
    • denkmoon 58 minutes ago
      but there's still so many bad ideas available to be executed on
  • 33MHz-i486 45 minutes ago
    its sickening that these companies making 10s of Billions in profit annually at 60% gross margins are going to throw their employees that got them there under the bus.

    layoffs are for at risk companies undergoing restructuring not semi-annual financial engineering of your earnings release

    I’m not a big collective action proponent historically but in the face of this bs, it might be time.

    • wahnfrieden 36 minutes ago
      Layoffs are not “for” that. That’s your fantasy.

      You believe more in the individual relationship each worker has with their employer to negotiate times like these? With what power? The employees did excellently so they are being let go. The individual worker has no leverage for anything.

  • sciencesama 56 minutes ago
    how big is the WFR ?
    • dpe82 47 minutes ago
      The press release states it clearly.
    • neilfrndes 44 minutes ago
      4k, <5%
  • charlie0 1 hour ago
    Revenue, not profit. A lot of that is likely inflation. I suspect we'll see this pattern repeat quite a bit with the oncoming oil shock