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  • neom 0 minutes ago
    No idea what this actually means, if it means easier trade, I'm all for anything that reduces our dependency on the yanks, as long as we don't need to be involved in their regulatory or legal regimes. The Americans are no longer our friends, Salut, mes amis Européens. :)
  • noir_lord 29 minutes ago
    Good, if the middle power democracies don't align/work together they are going to get torn apart in the struggle between the US and China.
    • nixass 23 minutes ago
      Non-aligned movement 2: electric boogaloo
    • krona 12 minutes ago
      70% of Canadian exports are to the US. 6% to the EU. Why would e.g. Poland want to enter a trade war with the US on Canada's behalf?
      • 9dev 2 minutes ago
        Because the US is going to throw Poland under the bus without even considering once if it yields a short-term benefit.
      • consp 10 minutes ago
        Isn't the point that there already is one?
      • Komte 0 minutes ago
        So the assumption is trading with Canada = trade war with US? Canada is abused pretty hard it seems...
      • pasc1878 10 minutes ago
        Because Trump is trade warring everyone.

        The middle democracies will do better fighting together and not deal with US individually.

      • NuclearPM 4 minutes ago
        Because the US is likely to ally with Russia over Poland.
    • dosisking 15 minutes ago
      There is no struggle, China has already won.
      • baxtr 14 minutes ago
        In what way has "China already won"?
        • dosisking 7 minutes ago
          > In what way has "China already won"?

          The US has depleted their missile stockpile and can no longer defend anybody. Countries in the Middle East are moving away from the US and forming their own alliances. Taiwan knows that the US cannot do anything to help them. South Korea also knows. The US has weaponized the US Dollar, forcing countries out of the SWIFT system if they don't do what they are told. As a result, the CHIPS system has become the alternative. China understands better how the economy works, with the Belt and Road Initiative. The US government doesn't understand how the economy works, and is run by a bunch of complete m orons.

        • prmoustache 0 minutes ago
          Look around and visit any country, you'll see chinese made and sold goods inundating everymarket.

          It used to be chinese made goods sold by local or western companies. Nowadays bar a few exceptions these are chinese goods sold directly by chinese brands/companies.

        • Escapado 5 minutes ago
          I am not OP and obviously "winning" reduces too many dimensions into one. But I will say that from my recent two visits to the country that I was pretty astonished by the speed at which they are building things. Cars, Buildings, Tech Hubs, Factories. You blink twice and a new tech company plops up somewhere making high end drones or humanoid robots or CNC machines or innovative 3d printers. It feels like there is an absolute abundance of electrical and mechanical engineers in that country and funding to match. I am not making any comments on the politics of it all, but I have not seen this anywhere else in the world - perhaps it exists but I am not aware of it.
        • arethuza 2 minutes ago
          Because, unlike the other superpower, they don't seem to be losing?
          • 9dev 0 minutes ago
            The USA is repeatedly punching itself in the face over and over though, so it's not a fair fight.
        • philipallstar 1 minute ago
          Their culture prioritises economic outputs not entitlements.
    • 0xpgm 22 minutes ago
      One thing that is common about middle democracies is that prioritize a bureaucratic elite structure over an entrepreneurship culture, while both the US and China embrace entreprenuership wholeheartedly.

      If they changed that they'd perhaps become world powers themselves.

      • pyrale 13 minutes ago
        > One thing that is common about middle democracies is that prioritize a bureaucratic elite structure over an entrepreneurship culture

        No, that's just the 2010s propaganda fed to you by people who assert that not letting them do whatever they want is "bureaucratic". These very same people are completely fine lobbying legislature for more moat when they benefit from it.

        The difference between "middle democracies" or whatever that means and the US is just that politics aren't corrupted enough yet that they can buy whatever they want.

      • InsideOutSanta 10 minutes ago
        It's interesting to me that people generally see Europe's regulations as interfering with entrepreneurship, while they see American decisions that give more power to multinational corporations at the expense of smaller companies as a normal part of a free market.
      • _heimdall 19 minutes ago
        The CCP retains too much power over businesses and business leaders for me to consider them to "embrace entrepreneurship wholeheartedly."
        • gmerc 12 minutes ago
          Because the US isn't exactly on the same path, right?
      • petesergeant 15 minutes ago
        The US _also_ embraces rent-seeking, regulatory capture, and the externalization of social and environmental costs as entrepreneurship.
      • ohyoutravel 16 minutes ago
        Didn’t China force Meta to unwind Manus? In no way is China embracing entrepreneurs wholeheartedly.
        • monideas 14 minutes ago
          The US has something called CFIUS. This is normal statecraft
      • NuclearPM 2 minutes ago
        This is just wrong. The US prioritizes billionaires over entrepreneurs.
  • softwaredoug 6 minutes ago
    I’m not sure this is a good thing for Canada.

    The EU feels like an incomplete experiment. Not strong enough to actually be a single market. But still able to create additional annoying regulations on top of nation level ones.

    The EU needs to be truly Federal to succeed economically. That might create uniform regulations with more uniform regulations and actually make Europe competitive.

    • lnxg33k1 4 minutes ago
      I am not sure, if I see the example of US as federation, it might work well for corporations only, but people have nothing, uniformity doesn't work because not all populations have the same needs/expectations
      • softwaredoug 0 minutes ago
        Maybe, but it’s way too difficult to do business in the EU.

        Not because I think regulations are bad. But regulations need to be well designed with clears lines on what the Federal / State are allowed to do.

  • tvbusy 21 minutes ago
    Good news. This world needs more cooperation and friendship.
    • nephihaha 19 minutes ago
      It's not about friendship but money.
      • cisc 15 minutes ago
        It's more about predictability.

        America's become erratic and untrustworthy. America's made a deliberate choice make its reputation worse.

        • usewik 9 minutes ago
          Eh, on a long enough timeline we have seen this and been there before. US is the beacon of democracy and the free world until it is not, and then until it again is. Depending on who is speaking and about whom and when.

          Most of these attention grabbing statements by politicians are usually about scoring political points at home. The only thing worthy of judgement are hard facts, and excruciating details, which are yet to materialize on this topic.

      • wood_spirit 17 minutes ago
        There is a friendly trusting common values part to this too.
      • frereubu 11 minutes ago
        Why not both?
      • baxtr 14 minutes ago
        Friendship is about values?
  • yorwba 21 minutes ago
    Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49723424 (49 points 2 hours ago, 120 comments)
  • harhargange 3 minutes ago
    From Blackberry to a budding VFX industry and many other sustainable businesses to come out of Canada has always made it seem like a very EU-like philosophy. This will be great for fair trade.
    • NuclearPM 1 minute ago
      Blackberry is a sustainable business?
  • mannycalavera42 8 minutes ago
    Yieppieeee!!! Love you Canada! :waves from Italy
  • maelito 17 minutes ago
    Bienvenue les amis.
    • RRRA 13 minutes ago
      Oui, j'ai hâte que l'on partage d'avantage avec l'Europe que les É-U...

      Bonjour du Québec.

  • dude250711 9 minutes ago
    Could retroactively mean Earth Union. Let the good ones like Korea and Japan also join.
  • Barrin92 12 minutes ago
    I'm proud to live in the EU because for all its faults we have one thing going for us, we seem to be the only large institution that countries still want to voluntarily join, and can voluntarily leave.

    In a world in which the other great powers revive the Monroe Doctrine or threaten their magnitude smaller neighbors with annexation we're not doing so badly. There is an inherent pettiness, weakness and fake strength in autocracy and force and it's often why I think the EU receives so much disproportionate hate.

    • graemep 8 minutes ago
      The UK left, Iceland just voted not to join.

      The EU does not have a military to annex any neighbours with. Individual states do, but non are really great powers any more.

      • penguin_booze 3 minutes ago
        > The UK left

        Yes, you can read all about how that came about, and how it's going.

        > The EU does not have a military to annex any neighbours with. Individual states do, but non are really great powers any more.

        You're projecting an American ideal. Not all nations are--nor want to be--America, and we're thankful for that.

  • N_Lens 22 minutes ago
    Australia is also seeking a closer alliance with EU and Canada. The world is moving on to a post Us-hegemony era.

    All it took was Trump & Republicans

    • graemep 11 minutes ago
      The world was already moving on from US hegemony. China is already a super power, other economies are growing, and the west in general (i.e. all the countries mentioned here) are a shrinking proportion of the world economy (and population, or military strength).
      • N_Lens 9 minutes ago
        Not if we kick off WW3 as a last ditch attempt to hold on to the old order ;)
  • cronin101 13 minutes ago
    Is this the path to a Bizarro World future where the Commonwealth realms become associate members of the EU to slowly unBrexit?

    I don't hate the idea

  • pards 13 minutes ago
    51st state? Pfff. How about 28th EU country!
    • pards 13 minutes ago
      Eurovision was just the beginning
  • nephihaha 20 minutes ago
    The EU is running out of Europe. I thought Turkey or North Africa would be the next steps. Maybe Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    • arethuza 11 minutes ago
      The EU covers just over 40% of the area of Europe.
    • graemep 13 minutes ago
      > I thought Turkey or North Africa would be the next steps. Maybe Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.

      Not white enough for the EU. There is a lot of opposition to even Turkey, which is already in customs union, joining and talks are dead specifically because EU countries do not want immigration from Turkey.

      • arethuza 5 minutes ago
        Fear that Turkey would be "imminently" joining the EU was one of the scare stories used by the Brexit campaign in the UK.
      • InsideOutSanta 6 minutes ago
        Sure, but Turkey is also an authoritarian autocracy, which I think might be a bit of a problem for the EU.
    • dncornholio 12 minutes ago
      EU is looking for strong democracies, while none of your suggestions are
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    • ahartmetz 17 minutes ago
      Von der Leyen sucks, but not in that way. She is an unscrupulous careerist with a talent for failing upward - and she failed a lot. More of a system abuser than a system changer.
      • dosisking 12 minutes ago
        Von der Leyen was hand-picked by Klaus Schwab
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    • jurmous 7 minutes ago
      Why? For me as a European it is pretty clear we need to cooperate to not be swooped away by the other big powers.
  • karlkloss 24 minutes ago
    Nearly 60% of EU LNG imports come from the USA. If Trump doesn't like Canada to cuddle with the EU, then it won't happen.

    This is all a big pain in the back.

    • N_Lens 22 minutes ago
      Good thing EU is investing heavily in renewables then.
      • altern8 19 minutes ago
        Those wind turbines are destroying the scenery, though.
        • RugnirViking 9 minutes ago
          only if you're weird and think they dont look lovely?
          • altern8 3 minutes ago
            Why, do you like them?

            Solar panels are even worse. Here in Poland they're covering entire fields in the countryside, I have no idea why they don't build them on parking lots or on factory roofs.

        • ohyoutravel 14 minutes ago
          Exactly. I prefer seeing pumpjacks and hydrofracking equipment, just like all red blooded capitalists.
          • altern8 2 minutes ago
            I've never seen a pumpjack nor any hydrofracking equipment. I have seen a few capitalists but I can't be positive they were red-blooded ones (whatever that means).
    • fidotron 20 minutes ago
      The LNG won't come from Canada either. Trudeau notoriously said "there's no business case" for it, but the truth is they can't agree with how to actually get enough of it to the east coast to make a difference, and that's what blocks it. (In fairness the route does go through some very unique environments).

      Canadian provinces have a far bigger ability to screw things up for the whole than countries do inside the EU, and people remotely familiar with the EU will understand what a strong statement that is.

      • jonapro 12 minutes ago
        If by screw things up you mean retain some level of governance then yes... Canada is a confederation, not a federation.